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07-05-2022, 09:45 AM

#31

waterskisabersw

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Originally Posted by e6bpilot

Yep.

We have a letter of agreement, available on the SWAPA website that states in no uncertain terms that pilots are allowed to fly Nonrev when on sick pull.
Period. Dot. No conditionals.

This LOA is there for a reason.

one conditional: not on a covid pull

07-05-2022, 11:40 AM

#32

e6bpilot

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Originally Posted by waterskisabersw

one conditional: not on a covid pull

True. Didn't think about that one.

07-05-2022, 11:41 AM

#33

e6bpilot

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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I stand corrected! 🫡

Most pilots I talk to don't know about it. I still avoid doing obvious things that would come back to bite me, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it.

07-05-2022, 12:27 PM

#34

hoover

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Originally Posted by e6bpilot

am I reading this wrong? I dont do well with double negatives in sentences.
Are we allowed or not to non rev when out sick? Covid notwithstanding

07-05-2022, 01:21 PM

#35

CA1900

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Originally Posted by hoover

Are we allowed or not to non rev when out sick? Covid notwithstanding

Yes, you are allowed to non-rev when out sick.

Go to SWAPA's web site and type "sick non-rev" in the search box. First hit will be the MOU about this.

07-10-2022, 02:11 PM

#36

Profane Kahuna

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Originally Posted by Crockrocket95

What kills me is all the senior guys on the CA side bid summers off... then pick of Premium over it. I know, people can do whatever they want with vacation etc, but its just silly when they have 40 year old kids and don't use any of the vacation time to actually do vacation and just use it to hit 250 TFP...

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Originally Posted by Dirkkdiggler

Guys can typically hold left seat before they can hold summer vacation. It’s a messed up system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e6bpilot

It's an imperfect system for sure, but I am not one to tell anyone what to do on their vacation weeks. I think if the weeks were more fairly distributed and still honoring seniority, there would be a lot less wanking about it.
I hope C2020 will fix a lot of the issues.

I think these three comments summarize the problem very well when viewed together.

The "problem" is that vacation weeks are highly desirable for dual reasons. The first is of course to take time off, but the second is because they can be used to drop trips for pay and then fly over top of them at premium. Lots of money to be made there.

The only way to change this would be to limit ourselves to NOT flying at all over vacation. ( I am NOT advocating for this ).

Until that changes, holiday vacations weeks will always be in higher demand than their intrinsic value as a vacation because they will also have a monetary value to clear at 100% and pick up at 150% over the top.

07-10-2022, 02:21 PM

#37

Mozam

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

I think these three comments summarize the problem very well when viewed together.

The "problem" is that vacation weeks are highly desirable for dual reasons. The first is of course to take time off, but the second is because they can be used to drop trips for pay and then fly over top of them at premium. Lots of money to be made there.

The only way to change this would be to limit ourselves to NOT flying at all over vacation. ( I am NOT advocating for this ).

Until that changes, holiday vacations weeks will always be in higher demand than their intrinsic value as a vacation because they will also have a monetary value to clear at 100% and pick up at 150% over the top.

How about the company distribute vacation weeks evenly , hence giving more weeks in the summer than we have now .

07-10-2022, 02:58 PM

#38

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by Mozam

How about the company distribute vacation weeks evenly , hence giving more weeks in the summer than we have now .

And go with what we voted for so you don’t have to block bid to trade for July 4 and Xmas or whatever.

07-10-2022, 03:02 PM

#39

Mozam

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

And go with what we voted for so you don’t have to block bid to trade for July 4 and Xmas or whatever.

The company went from do what you want, to not willing to make any changes. The question is how much time and money do you want SWAPA to spend on this ?

07-10-2022, 03:04 PM

#40

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by Mozam

The company went from do what you want, to not willing to make any changes. The question is how much time and money do you want SWAPA to spend on this ?

Its already been voted on and agreed to. I’m assuming it’s part of the 2020 rewrite. Whether it’s a hot button issue or not…I don’t know.

I wouldn’t want it agreed to at the expense of more NEC % or LTD or kicking training sked to the curb…that’s for sure.