Dirkkdiggler

There must be 300 pages of all the details you’re looking for on the United forum. Enjoy.

usernamehere

CM addressed the rewrite thing in the swapa podcast not that long ago.

BLAHBLAHBLAH

I don’t care enough to read through more than the couple pages I looked at trying to find it. Just wondering if anyone had seen a bullet point put out about the TA.

Dirkkdiggler

I guess it’d be hard to say I care enough about doing the work for you then.

Caveman

"Addressed" is an interesting interpretation

Dirkkdiggler

I thought he was pretty clear about the end goal. While we proposed a full re-write, and the company is negotiating from current book, his hopes are two fold: 1) get new notes on the bargaining process that reflect conversations about the language in 2022 so they don’t have to go back to bargaining notes from 1984 2) Have a final agreement which may not contain all new language, but incorporates the new re-write as well as perhaps some of the old language that fits within said re-write where appropriate. That seems like a reasonable goal.

Lewbronski

Here's what Casey said about the rewrite in the SWAPA Number podcast, episode 706 on May 16 (the most recent one on which he was featured):

It seems to me he's saying that our goal is a complete rewrite. The company doesn't want a complete rewrite. Therefore, it's unlikely we will arrive at a complete rewrite in the final version of a TA. We will have something in between.

I'd say, the degree to which a new TA will feature elements of the rewrite we, as SWAPA pilots, want or it will retain language from the current contract like the company wants will depend on how effectively we wield the leverage available to us.

Why we aren't currently doing everything we can to cultivate as much leverage as possible is beyond me. A complete rewrite with gains in work rules, disability, retirement, compensation, and hotels will require a ton of leverage.

It's not like, under the RLA, you can enter mediation and instantly have leverage. It's like planting seeds. You can't plant seeds one day and expect to reap a windfall harvest the next day. You plant the seeds. Then you have to wait for the seeds to sprout, grow, and mature.

The RLA is similar. Because of the way the RLA works, we will have to spend a significant amount of time in mediation before we begin to have credible leverage under the RLA. We haven't even planted the seeds yet.

It's not rocket science.

Caveman

SWAPA is right where it wants to be.

It'll take the Turd for the light to come on me thinks.

Tenacvols

I’m not so sure. I watched the recording of the SWAPA town hall and it seemed we are close to filing for mediation from the comments of the NC chair on the direction that the board is leaning based upon the company dragging their feet…

Lewbronski

iIs better late than never. But like I explained, it takes 2.5 to 3 years to pose a credible threat of self help under the RLA AFTER filing for mediation. We are already more than two years deep into this negotiation cycle. Why we have hesitated to file at all beyond that required to look like we’re not trying to game the system is baffling.

Filing for mediation closes zero doors. It is virtually zero cost. Yet we approach it as if it contains kryptonite.