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Old 06-28-2022, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Yeah but will it include a Tumi suitcase?
Dickey's gift card.
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Old 06-28-2022, 10:45 AM
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If you don’t think there are a bunch of mouth breathing, retirement gig goobers here who would vote for something similar….think more clearly.
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Old 06-28-2022, 11:49 AM
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If you don’t think there are a bunch of mouth breathing, retirement gig goobers here who would vote for something similar….think more clearly.
Some to be sure. Maybe even a “bunch” No where near a majority thankfully. Gary and Karl and the others have made sure of that over the last 8-10 years.
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Old 06-28-2022, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease5667
If you don’t think there are a bunch of mouth breathing, retirement gig goobers here who would vote for something similar….think more clearly.
Times are a changing……fortunately.

1221 for one thing. Also, I just flew with an FO that’s a new hire mentor that has access to the list of NHs and what their backgrounds are. Out of a class of 61, only 2-3 were AF and only one was a Marine. The rest were all corporate, regional, other major, etc.

Hate to say it but when you don’t have a 20 year military retirement that gets deposited every month, you tend to have more “fight” in you when it comes to contracts. That’s been my direct observation over the last 24 years in this biz. Sorry, basic human nature and psychology.
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Old 06-28-2022, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Times are a changing……fortunately.

1221 for one thing. Also, I just flew with an FO that’s a new hire mentor that has access to the list of NHs and what their backgrounds are. Out of a class of 61, only 2-3 were AF and only one was a Marine. The rest were all corporate, regional, other major, etc.

Hate to say it but when you don’t have a 20 year military retirement that gets deposited every month, you tend to have more “fight” in you when it comes to contracts. That’s been my direct observation over the last 24 years in this biz. Sorry, basic human nature and psychology.
Well I have a 22 year military retirement and I can tell you I’m a hard no on anything less of a complete rewrite to fix our outdated language, and a complete revamp to our disability, loss of license, etc…

Oh, and I’m in no hurry to get a new contract so they can keep delaying all the want. In the end, it’s just gonna cost them more. But being a part of the check of the month club helps…
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Old 06-28-2022, 02:21 PM
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Anyone hear that during management brief in a recent recurrent class they said no way we get retro?
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Old 06-28-2022, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Yeah but will it include a Tumi suitcase?
Ours will probably include a Sam's Club basic membership so you can buy your own bag. I have low expectations but high demands for our contract. We have that 38% yessie.
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Old 06-28-2022, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
Dickey's gift card.
Can I use that at Whataburger? If so, you know my vote...
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Old 06-28-2022, 03:00 PM
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Ours will probably include a Sam's Club basic membership so you can buy your own bag. I have low expectations but high demands for our contract. We have that 38% yessie.
I think that 38% figure is way out-dated given recent events.
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Old 06-28-2022, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Times are a changing……fortunately.

1221 for one thing. Also, I just flew with an FO that’s a new hire mentor that has access to the list of NHs and what their backgrounds are. Out of a class of 61, only 2-3 were AF and only one was a Marine. The rest were all corporate, regional, other major, etc.

Hate to say it but when you don’t have a 20 year military retirement that gets deposited every month, you tend to have more “fight” in you when it comes to contracts. That’s been my direct observation over the last 24 years in this biz. Sorry, basic human nature and psychology.
Yeah won’t need to worry, they don’t want to fly for us either. Anecdotal but only 1 guy I flew with in the AF chose to come to SWA over the past 3 years. I’m guessing more than a dozen inquired but went elsewhere.
Side note: I’m surprised by how many people assume former mil means retiree. It’s got to be a minute proportion that are actually receiving pension payments. The rest of us are just quitters like me and definitely have a learning curve when it comes to company-union dynamics…but we’ve got skin in the game same as everyone else.
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