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Old 06-22-2022, 03:51 AM
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I could not be at the picket due to prior obligation that I could not get out of. But to all those who picketed, their families who supported them, our probationary volunteers who helped out, pilots from OAL, our mechanics and FA's who also picketed - THANK YOU!

Those that picked up OT during the picket, especially in DAL and HOU... please don't call them scabs because that's misusing the word. We are not on strike. However, one thing comes to mind...

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Old 06-22-2022, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
SWAPA has no say on what goes on here or FB. They do monitor, and take action on the union fourm . SWAPA has no culpability of what goes on with APC.
I believe the evidence to support the Spirit TRO in 2017 all originated from this website.
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
SWAPA has no say on what goes on here or FB. They do monitor, and take action on the union fourm . SWAPA has no culpability of what goes on with APC.
This is 100% not true. It's incredible how ignorant you are of recent events. If there is a group of people here or anywhere intimidating others or encouraging others to go on a wildcat strike, work slowdown or no pick up campaign, the union will be held accountable.
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
SWAPA has no say on what goes on here or FB. They do monitor, and take action on the union fourm . SWAPA has no culpability of what goes on with APC.
Thats not how the court has seen it in past cases involving pilots who engaged in some sort of concerted action. Regardless of whether or not the union officially or unofficially backed the action, the courts held the union (and sometimes individual pilots) responsible for the breach in status quo.

That is, for example, what happened when a bunch of Spirit pilots, engaged in a campaign to, among other things, stop picking up open time back in May 2017. Spirit’s attorneys used 2.5 pages of quotes from APC as part of their evidence to prove that a concerted action was going on. The court held the Spirit MEC responsible despite the fact that the MEC hadn’t (officially, at least) encouraged any pilot to engage in a concerted action. This harmed the Spirit pilots’ position in mediation at the time. It also risked incurring a crippling fine like the $45 million fine that APA was hit with back in 1999 for a sick-out campaign by its pilots. Here’s what the court said:

IT IS ORDERED that the Defendants, and each of them, their members, agents, and
employees, and all persons and organizations acting by, in concert with, through, or under them, or by and through its or their orders, are hereby temporarily restrained, pending a hearing on the PI in this matter, from calling, permitting, instigating, authorizing, encouraging, participating in, approving, or continuing any form of interference with Plaintiff’s airline operations, including, but not limited to, any strike, work stoppage, sick-out, slowdown, work to rule campaign, concerted refusal to accept voluntary or overtime flight assignments, or other concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations consistent with the status quo, including but not limited to, slow taxiing, writing up maintenance items, calling in fatigued, delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from the scheduling, refusing to fly an aircraft that meets legal requirements for flight, or refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying, in violation of the RLA, 45 U.S.C. §151 et seq.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendants shall take all reasonable steps within their power to prevent the aforesaid actions and to immediately cease the aforesaid actions from
continuing if commenced, including, but not limited to, the following:

(a) Instructing all pilots represented by Defendant ALPA, and employed by Plaintiff, to resume their normal working schedule and practices and providing Plaintiff a copy of all such instructions;

(b) Notifying all pilots represented by Defendant ALPA, and employed by Plaintiff, by the most expeditious means possible, of the issuance, contents, and meaning of this TRO and
providing Plaintiff a copy of all such notices;

(c) Including in such notice a directive from ALPA to Spirit’s pilots not to engage in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations consistent with the status quo, including t not limited to: slow taxiing, writing up maintenance items, calling in fatigued, delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from the scheduling, refusing to fly an aircraft that meets legal requirements for flight, refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying (“open time” or “junior assignment”), or otherwise engaging in a concerted refusal to conduct pilot operations in the normal manner, and to cease and desist all such activity; and to cease and desist all exhortations or communications encouraging same; and failure to follow this directive may result in fine, suspension, or other sanction by ALPA;

(d) Posting the notice described above on Defendants’ internet websites and social
media accounts and providing Plaintiff a copy of the notices;

(e) Including the contents of such notice on all recorded telephone hotlines under
control of Defendants, until such time as the Court has ruled upon Plaintiff’s Motion for a PI,
and providing Plaintiff a copy of all such messages; and

(f) Distributing the contents of such notice through all non-public communication
systems maintained by Defendants, including any telephone trees, pilot-to-pilot communication
systems, or similar systems, and providing Plaintiff a copy of the notices.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that by 5 p.m. on May 10, 2017, Defendants must file sworn affidavits describing the methods used to effect the notice described above to all pilots
represented by Defendant ALPA; Defendants must also file copies of all notices required to be
furnished to Plaintiff by Defendants under this TRO.
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
This is 100% not true. It's incredible how ignorant you are of recent events. If there is a group of people here or anywhere intimidating others or encouraging others to go on a wildcat strike, work slowdown or no pick up campaign, the union will be held accountable.

There is no one on here intimidating others , on the SWAPA website it posts what is not allowed. You seem to be the know it all troll, so tell us how and what you expect to be done .
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I woke up at 0430 after minimal sleep, got in my car and drove $80 worth of gas down to Dallas to stand in the hot sun with a bunch of smelly, hung over dudes and ladies. I then turned around and drove the 4 hours back home through hellish traffic. I did all this on my summer vacation week over the protests of my kids who wanted to spend time with me.

If someone chose to pick up open time over the one day where they could have been out on the line showing support for their fellow pilots, I won't have any dealings with them outside of official business. No excuses. It's ridiculous behavior.

That being said, check the open time report for full accuracy. Plenty of guys who were there at the picket and appear on it due to released deadheads or late reports.
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Old 06-22-2022, 05:56 AM
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In 2017, somebody created a website called SPA Chokers that listed the names of individuals that were allegedly helping the company out through an(other) operational meltdown during a(nother) period of contentious negotiations.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/spirit/102922-spa-chokers-website.html
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:32 AM
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There was a 4D Premium awarded in PHX on the 18th, that has turned into a 6D trip. Compensation for them will be over $20k this week whilst we stood job the sun.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
In 2017, somebody created a website called SPA Chokers that listed the names of individuals that were allegedly helping the company out through an(other) operational meltdown during a(nother) period of contentious negotiations.

SPA Chokers Website
Looks like the site is no longer.
At least I was getting an error message.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
That being said, check the open time report for full accuracy. Plenty of guys who were there at the picket and appear on it due to released deadheads or late reports.
This.

I saw many open time alerts that were clearly targeted towards the large group of pilots assembled in Dallas that started with double deadheads enabling them to do both. I also know of a pilot who was bidding straight on trips over the picket while he was on vacation to entice the vultures to bid straight as well. I saw him at the picket.
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