Travel when sick
03-03-2023, 06:40 PM
#21
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www.swapa.org > Log in > Committees > Contract Admin
Near the bottom there's a horizontally-scrolling section labeled "Resources," and MOUs is one of those. Open it up.
A few MOUs will initially show below, but if you click the blue "Show More" box, a bunch more will come up. Open the one labeled "Non-Rev" dated December 9, 2016.
Near the bottom there's a horizontally-scrolling section labeled "Resources," and MOUs is one of those. Open it up.
A few MOUs will initially show below, but if you click the blue "Show More" box, a bunch more will come up. Open the one labeled "Non-Rev" dated December 9, 2016.
03-04-2023, 09:44 AM
#22
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All this addresses is your non-rev benefit remains active while on sick leave up to a year after you exhaust your sick bank (if you can perform office duty. Can you perform office duty on a COVID pull?) Makes no claim to immunity from discipline if you non-rev while out on a 'sick call'. I wouldn't look to this MOU to protect you.
As was mentioned above, just don't be stupid about it and you won't have to put it to the test. Don't leave a social media footprint of your travels and nobody is going to bat an eye. The law of pilot thermodynamics applies. There's like 1 chief pilot and 1000 pilots per base. Do the math.
03-04-2023, 06:16 PM
#23
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Call SWAPA contract admin or speak to your rep about it. The MOU protects you. Read the language like a lawyer.
As was mentioned above, just don't be stupid about it and you won't have to put it to the test. Don't leave a social media footprint of your travels and nobody is going to bat an eye. The law of pilot thermodynamics applies. There's like 1 chief pilot and 1000 pilots per base. Do the math.
As was mentioned above, just don't be stupid about it and you won't have to put it to the test. Don't leave a social media footprint of your travels and nobody is going to bat an eye. The law of pilot thermodynamics applies. There's like 1 chief pilot and 1000 pilots per base. Do the math.
03-04-2023, 06:30 PM
#24
At your mom's house
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Position: cpt 737
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Or if you have any kind of sickness or injury that prevents you from flying you can't use your negotiated benefits?
we are not office workers or rampers. We have a different level of IMSAFE.
03-04-2023, 06:44 PM
#25
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so what's the alternative? If you commute and get sick you can't non rev home till after the footprint.
Or if you have any kind of sickness or injury that prevents you from flying you can't use your negotiated benefits?
we are not office workers or rampers. We have a different level of IMSAFE.
Or if you have any kind of sickness or injury that prevents you from flying you can't use your negotiated benefits?
we are not office workers or rampers. We have a different level of IMSAFE.
How much grief will you get if you commute from <xxx> to Aruba on the day of your sick call? <-not a made up example
The point I am trying to make is there is no official, codified in writing protection. The MOU that was referenced does NOT exclude a pilot from discipline if non-reving while out sick.
Is it a high-risk behavior? Not IMHO. Is it zero risk? No.
03-05-2023, 05:59 AM
#26
At your mom's house
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Position: cpt 737
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How much grief will you get if you commute home after a sick call? I'd assume zero.
How much grief will you get if you commute from <xxx> to Aruba on the day of your sick call? <-not a made up example
The point I am trying to make is there is no official, codified in writing protection. The MOU that was referenced does NOT exclude a pilot from discipline if non-reving while out sick.
Is it a high-risk behavior? Not IMHO. Is it zero risk? No.
How much grief will you get if you commute from <xxx> to Aruba on the day of your sick call? <-not a made up example
The point I am trying to make is there is no official, codified in writing protection. The MOU that was referenced does NOT exclude a pilot from discipline if non-reving while out sick.
Is it a high-risk behavior? Not IMHO. Is it zero risk? No.
03-05-2023, 10:25 AM
#27
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It is HARD to get in trouble here. Even harder to stay in trouble. You honestly have to try. Yet somehow, a couple percent of our guys can't get that through their thick heads. Bad for them. Good for you.
The law of JO thermodynamics applies. The heat on you is inversely proportional to the heat on "that guy". Don't be that guy.
The law of JO thermodynamics applies. The heat on you is inversely proportional to the heat on "that guy". Don't be that guy.
03-05-2023, 10:00 PM
#28
Strike averted!
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Position: B737
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It is HARD to get in trouble here. Even harder to stay in trouble. You honestly have to try. Yet somehow, a couple percent of our guys can't get that through their thick heads. Bad for them. Good for you.
The law of JO thermodynamics applies. The heat on you is inversely proportional to the heat on "that guy". Don't be that guy.
The law of JO thermodynamics applies. The heat on you is inversely proportional to the heat on "that guy". Don't be that guy.
03-06-2023, 08:42 AM
#30
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Position: FOD
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I never knew the guy, but his CP was my partner for recurrent a few years ago. When somebody in the schoolhouse asked his chief about the disciplinary meetings they heard were happening around the same time, he said "I can't say anything, other than after strike seven he might finally be out".
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