10-27% attrition in new hire classes
03-23-2022, 10:33 PM
#91
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The argument could be made that the guys who took VSP were guys who, when making the decision, “Do I like it here enough to stick around?”, decided to leave. IOW, maybe a lot of them weren’t yessies. Three I can think of off the top of my head and personally knew, the OG Mozam, JL and another good friend of mine, were about as far from yessies as you can get.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
03-24-2022, 03:14 AM
#92
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 612
The argument could be made that the guys who took VSP were guys who, when making the decision, “Do I like it here enough to stick around?”, decided to leave. IOW, maybe a lot of them weren’t yessies. Three I can think of off the top of my head and personally knew, the OG Mozam, JL and another good friend of mine, were about as far from yessies as you can get.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
03-24-2022, 03:19 AM
#93
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,174
The argument could be made that the guys who took VSP were guys who, when making the decision, “Do I like it here enough to stick around?”, decided to leave. IOW, maybe a lot of them weren’t yessies. Three I can think of off the top of my head and personally knew, the OG Mozam, JL and another good friend of mine, were about as far from yessies as you can get.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
The vote will be no.
and not just no but HELL NO.
When is the first picket?
03-24-2022, 04:44 AM
#94
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
The argument could be made that the guys who took VSP were guys who, when making the decision, “Do I like it here enough to stick around?”, decided to leave. IOW, maybe a lot of them weren’t yessies. Three I can think of off the top of my head and personally knew, the OG Mozam, JL and another good friend of mine, were about as far from yessies as you can get.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
And the 1,221? We’ll see. My feeling is that factor will be overblown when we vote on this thing. BUT I HOPE I’M WRONG!
As for the rest of the pilot group? The cluelessness and lack of engagement runs pretty deep. Again, 84% voted yes on TA2. TA1 nearly passed.
03-24-2022, 06:15 AM
#96
Furloughed Again?!
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03-24-2022, 07:50 AM
#98
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To be fair, it was our previous CEO, but to paraphrase, during our last contract negotiations, circa 2014, GK said something to the effect when asked about the progress of contract negations for the pilots, “our pilots will receive market rates just like any other profession, such as plumbers for instance.”
Let’s be truthful here, GK comments on rate was not from DAL,AA,UAL new contract. He said we are a low cost airline and need to be paid as such and he does not consider the big three comparable to WN. His market rate is comparing, Great Lakes , Republic airlines and Envoy to SWA pilots . I will not even get started how much that man hates pilots and has since he was CFO .
03-24-2022, 08:52 AM
#100
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It’s also feasible to argue that assuming the 1,221 will all vote no on a less-than-industry-leading TA or that the pilot group at large will follow suit will foster a complacency that ends up helping to assure another lagging contract is voted in.
When the lagging TA comes, and it will, if the more engaged members of the pilot group, especially the newer members of the pilot group, assume that it will, of course, get voted down because, duh, everyone can see how lagging it is, they are setting themselves up for another decade or so of living under a substandard contract. Fighting the passage of a second-rate TA will require a monumental effort by the engaged members (like people who post on pilot forums). And even with a monumental effort, a sub-par TA may pass muster with this pilot group because of the overall lacking of a clue that has prevailed here for five decades.
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