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11-12-2021, 06:22 PM
#983
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
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There is a video in your company inbox with upgrade numbers for 2022 significantly revised downwards compared to the numbers our leaders were throwing out just a few weeks ago. I'm guessing our instructor issues are the cause of this...I would have never believed that Southwest would let hiring/retaining instructors get to the point where it would constrain plans, but here we are.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
11-12-2021, 06:27 PM
#984
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
There is a video in your company inbox with upgrade numbers for 2022 significantly revised downwards compared to the numbers our leaders were throwing out just a few weeks ago. I'm guessing our instructor issues are the cause of this...I would have never believed that Southwest would let hiring/retaining instructors get to the point where it would constrain plans, but here we are.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
11-12-2021, 08:53 PM
#986
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,919
There is a video in your company inbox with upgrade numbers for 2022 significantly revised downwards compared to the numbers our leaders were throwing out just a few weeks ago. I'm guessing our instructor issues are the cause of this...I would have never believed that Southwest would let hiring/retaining instructors get to the point where it would constrain plans, but here we are.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
Meanwhile at United, there is the potential for Captain positions to remain unfilled in their next bid, leading theoretically to street Captain positions. Something to think about for those coming to class soon or among the more junior.
11-13-2021, 02:12 AM
#987
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 831
So big picture, upgrade time at United for the NorCal area....3 years and projected to go much lower.
Upgrade time for the same NorCal area at Southwest (no east coast early upgrade option here)...currently 10+ years but in an optimistic scenario, might fall to 6-7 years, mostly benefiting those hired at the beginning of the last hiring wave.
11-13-2021, 05:06 AM
#988
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 341
I’m usually an optimistic person. That last wave started December 2013, 8 years ago. There’s nearly 1,000 FOs senior to the first pilot in the last wave. 10+ year upgrades for the foreseeable future.
11-13-2021, 05:11 AM
#989
Furloughed Again?!
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11-13-2021, 05:23 AM
#990
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 221
Upgrade times
But how many will commute to the west coast? Especially when premium will be easy for the foreseeable future?
Bypass numbers are still the deciding factor. I could see 7 year upgrades, I could also see 10 year upgrades.
Commuting to the west doesn’t seem appealing to a senior east of Phoenix FO doing 150 tfp without even thinking about It.
Bypass numbers are still the deciding factor. I could see 7 year upgrades, I could also see 10 year upgrades.
Commuting to the west doesn’t seem appealing to a senior east of Phoenix FO doing 150 tfp without even thinking about It.
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