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10-30-2021, 06:56 AM
#961
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,029
Exactly. Anyone that helps still can't see it which I find amazing.
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10-30-2021, 07:18 AM
#962
gets time off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,234
10-30-2021, 08:01 AM
#965
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
10-30-2021, 08:29 AM
#966
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 840
That is surprising because I would think anyone from a regional (other than guys close to a flow) would really be on it, even if SWA is not their destination airline. That goes for MIL guys as well. It will be interesting to see the attrition numbers once everyone starts hiring 100/month or more.
10-30-2021, 09:17 AM
#967
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
10-30-2021, 09:20 AM
#968
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 988
That is surprising because I would think anyone from a regional (other than guys close to a flow) would really be on it, even if SWA is not their destination airline. That goes for MIL guys as well. It will be interesting to see the attrition numbers once everyone starts hiring 100/month or more.
SWA was the bees knees when nobody else was hiring. Unless you live in a SWA domicile, the faster (and maybe better in the long run) return is to go to UAL/DAL. AA is still too much of a basket case to make that one any better than a tie, but the upgrade there is much faster. B6 and NK have good contracts and good financials and a much faster upgrade. This isn't even touching FedEx or UPS being miles ahead of our contract.
If I were doing the jump right now, SWA would be close to the bottom of my list unless I lived in a SWA domicile ( which I do). Our benefits: line bidding for vacation and plenty of open time right now. Our cons: long upgrade, penny wise pound foolish management, poor labor relations, no widebody pay scale, missing lots of ancillaries in the contract that are industry standard at the legacies (uniforms, parking, crew meals for originators or terminators), ****poor disability and loss of license, no flight bennies if you're out on disability, no long call reserve, poor commutability of trips, etc.
The union and the pilot group have a lot of work to do, but the company will have to compete for new hires against better compensation and work rules elsewhere. That might move the bar more than any amount of shoe leather.
10-30-2021, 09:49 AM
#969
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 643
That is surprising because I would think anyone from a regional (other than guys close to a flow) would really be on it, even if SWA is not their destination airline. That goes for MIL guys as well. It will be interesting to see the attrition numbers once everyone starts hiring 100/month or more.
10-30-2021, 12:32 PM
#970
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
SWA was the bees knees when nobody else was hiring. Unless you live in a SWA domicile, the faster (and maybe better in the long run) return is to go to UAL/DAL. AA is still too much of a basket case to make that one any better than a tie, but the upgrade there is much faster. B6 and NK have good contracts and good financials and a much faster upgrade. This isn't even touching FedEx or UPS being miles ahead of our contract.
If I were doing the jump right now, SWA would be close to the bottom of my list unless I lived in a SWA domicile ( which I do). Our benefits: line bidding for vacation and plenty of open time right now. Our cons: long upgrade, penny wise pound foolish management, poor labor relations, no widebody pay scale, missing lots of ancillaries in the contract that are industry standard at the legacies (uniforms, parking, crew meals for originators or terminators), ****poor disability and loss of license, no flight bennies if you're out on disability, no long call reserve, poor commutability of trips, etc.
The union and the pilot group have a lot of work to do, but the company will have to compete for new hires against better compensation and work rules elsewhere. That might move the bar more than any amount of shoe leather.
If I were doing the jump right now, SWA would be close to the bottom of my list unless I lived in a SWA domicile ( which I do). Our benefits: line bidding for vacation and plenty of open time right now. Our cons: long upgrade, penny wise pound foolish management, poor labor relations, no widebody pay scale, missing lots of ancillaries in the contract that are industry standard at the legacies (uniforms, parking, crew meals for originators or terminators), ****poor disability and loss of license, no flight bennies if you're out on disability, no long call reserve, poor commutability of trips, etc.
The union and the pilot group have a lot of work to do, but the company will have to compete for new hires against better compensation and work rules elsewhere. That might move the bar more than any amount of shoe leather.
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