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Old 10-18-2021, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Copied from another forum. Wonder how upgrade time influences recruitment and retention during a period when every airline is competing for the same pilots?
I hate these tables. When I got to my regional, the advertised upgrade was 5 years.

What that didn’t account for was there were almost no hires for 5 years, so in the first upgrade class after I got there you had a pilot who had waited 5 years and one who had waited 2. Needs to be more in-depth analysis to really use that info tactically.
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Old 10-19-2021, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
I hate these tables. When I got to my regional, the advertised upgrade was 5 years.

What that didn’t account for was there were almost no hires for 5 years, so in the first upgrade class after I got there you had a pilot who had waited 5 years and one who had waited 2. Needs to be more in-depth analysis to really use that info tactically.
I got hired at age 23 in late 2007 at a regional with a projected 2-3 year upgrade. I was going to make $100k by 25. I went with Republic but also had an offer at Compass (a start up at the time).

The economic collapse of 2008/2009, age 65 gets implemented and I was still an FO at age 30 making less than $40k. That is why we are called the lost generation and the $36.62 club at Republic. Had I gone with Compass I would have upgraded in a year and flowed to Delta in 3 years.

These charts mean squat! When you are 60 you will know which decisions you made where correct.

Pick a quality of life that allows you to stay married to wife #1 rather than wife #3. That will save you more money than any amount of money a faster upgrade provides!!😀😀
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:10 PM
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I though my generation was the lost generation or the lost decade. We had made it to the majors in the late 1990s, but been furloughed after 9/11. While on furlough the retirement age was raised to 65, followed by the financial crisis in 08, extending the furlough to nearly a decade. Many of us moved on, taking jobs at regionals, corporate operators, or as expats. By the time we had been recalled going back made little sense. I was 25 when I was hired at my first major. Over 40 when I got here. That was truly a lost decade.
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Old 10-20-2021, 03:40 AM
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Old 10-20-2021, 05:27 AM
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Zap you gonna get the call after the new year?
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With the US economy tittering on huge recession, and flood and fuel prices increasing everyday. I don’t see how they can grow. First of all, they have huge problems on the ground. They are so short staffed they have sometimes 2 rampers, working 3 gates, that is system wide. The gears on the company are grinding to halt in my opinion. Now with this vaccine mandate and being forced into double time everyday, I look for a lot of the rampers to walk off the job, Dec 8 or before just adding to their conglomerate of problems. If I were FO I would be more worried about furlough than my upgrade time. I think we are all in for a rude awakening.
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Originally Posted by Skeet20
With the US economy tittering on huge recession, and flood and fuel prices increasing everyday. I don’t see how they can grow. First of all, they have huge problems on the ground. They are so short staffed they have sometimes 2 rampers, working 3 gates, that is system wide. The gears on the company are grinding to halt in my opinion. Now with this vaccine mandate and being forced into double time everyday, I look for a lot of the rampers to walk off the job, Dec 8 or before just adding to their conglomerate of problems. If I were FO I would be more worried about furlough than my upgrade time. I think we are all in for a rude awakening.

If I were you I would worry less about the prices of floods and economic tittering and more about stockpiling food for the end days.

Yes, staffing on the ramp sucks. This too shall pass. It's hard to recruit rampers for crap pay to work outside and get mando'd all the time. Eventually, they will get on top of it. I saw a huge group of new hire rampers in PHX yesterday.
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I though my generation was the lost generation or the lost decade. We had made it to the majors in the late 1990s, but been furloughed after 9/11. While on furlough the retirement age was raised to 65, followed by the financial crisis in 08, extending the furlough to nearly a decade. Many of us moved on, taking jobs at regionals, corporate operators, or as expats. By the time we had been recalled going back made little sense. I was 25 when I was hired at my first major. Over 40 when I got here. That was truly a lost decade.
I’d say anyone who was looking to get hired by a major airline from 2000-2010 suffered.
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Originally Posted by Skeet20
With the US economy tittering on huge recession, and flood and fuel prices increasing everyday. I don’t see how they can grow. First of all, they have huge problems on the ground. They are so short staffed they have sometimes 2 rampers, working 3 gates, that is system wide. The gears on the company are grinding to halt in my opinion. Now with this vaccine mandate and being forced into double time everyday, I look for a lot of the rampers to walk off the job, Dec 8 or before just adding to their conglomerate of problems. If I were FO I would be more worried about furlough than my upgrade time. I think we are all in for a rude awakening.


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Old 10-20-2021, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Crockrocket95
Zap you gonna get the call after the new year?

No. He's full of it. He just wants BBQ and beer.
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