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04-19-2021, 05:56 PM
#41
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and I mostly disagree with him
04-20-2021, 04:33 AM
#42
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Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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04-20-2021, 04:58 AM
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04-20-2021, 05:22 AM
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I know some of you guys got a raw deal but maybe it's an inconvenient truth that being a larger carrier in a merge/acquisition comes with some intangible benefits such as "capturing" additional CA seats. So when we are solely talking about SWA going forward and you are a CA it is unlikely to negatively effect your seniority in a future merged list. That is the whole point of this conversation. Again, I get you guys got a raw deal.
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04-20-2021, 07:55 AM
#47
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I know some of you guys got a raw deal but maybe it's an inconvenient truth that being a larger carrier in a merge/acquisition comes with some intangible benefits such as "capturing" additional CA seats. So when we are solely talking about SWA going forward and you are a CA it is unlikely to negatively effect your seniority in a future merged list. That is the whole point of this conversation. Again, I get you guys got a raw deal.
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That said and even though I was one of the ones that was threatened by uncle Gary, I still don’t support doing it to the next group.
04-20-2021, 09:30 AM
#48
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Past acquisitions have usually not involved threats of nonintegration to leverage those being acquired to vote to give up their seniority and captain seats.
That said and even though I was one of the ones that was threatened by uncle Gary, I still don’t support doing it to the next group.
That said and even though I was one of the ones that was threatened by uncle Gary, I still don’t support doing it to the next group.
Maybe that's true. I was not here at the time. The guys that were downgraded, were they 717 guys? Or, how would their seniority have been if you take the 717 out of the equation? Would they still have been captains? If they don't bring an airplane to the table it's hard to make a case. A similar thing happened to the Midwest guys when Republic bought them. They lost a lot of seniority because when they came over their previous aircraft was no longer on property. It sucks, but it seems that these things do happen.
It seems a little more complicated than, "Well they stole Captain seats from us."
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04-20-2021, 02:57 PM
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Getting this back on track...
I think 1 year / 2% growth is a little pessimistic because there will be some kind of snapback to 2019 numbers, followed by some growth to account for new cities and airframes. Where do we end up? Quite a bit depends on what happens to AA and UA, (for some reason we never go head-to-head with DL). I'm going to optimistic and say that upgrades start in the fall, and the hiring window opens sometime in late fall, or maybe to coincide with NGPA, with classes running next spring.
I think 1 year / 2% growth is a little pessimistic because there will be some kind of snapback to 2019 numbers, followed by some growth to account for new cities and airframes. Where do we end up? Quite a bit depends on what happens to AA and UA, (for some reason we never go head-to-head with DL). I'm going to optimistic and say that upgrades start in the fall, and the hiring window opens sometime in late fall, or maybe to coincide with NGPA, with classes running next spring.
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