Upgrade times
06-08-2021, 02:53 PM
#442
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,750
I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it, but I’m not necessarily opposed to commuting to a west coast base for an earlier upgrade. Nor am I opposed to the six-month bid lock for ETOPS flying. But as an early 2017 hire I think it’ll be a while. That said, with the proposed growth, VSPs and a trickle of attrition it may happen sooner than we think, especially if Hawaii flying booms. Let’s hope the aviation recovery continues to be strong.
From where I live commuting to LAX wouldn’t be that hard.
From where I live commuting to LAX wouldn’t be that hard.
06-08-2021, 02:56 PM
#443
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
let's not let the easy premium get to our head while negotiating a contract. That is what has happened in the past and why they negotiated at 108tfp instead of the guarantee we all have been sitting on for the last yr.
06-08-2021, 02:59 PM
#444
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
As long as nobody loses seniority or longevity I don’t know that anyone would care. At least I won’t. If I get recalled for September or October I assume I’ll get paid regular pay whether I’m working or not. If not, that’s OK too. I signed up for 5 years. Any earlier recall is financially to my benefit. Any delay means I get partial pay for no work. Seems like a win/win, at least for me.
For those who actually expected the full time I suppose it’s not great. But the deal was a 30 day recall notice, so it’s not like we didn’t know what we were agreeing to.
For those who actually expected the full time I suppose it’s not great. But the deal was a 30 day recall notice, so it’s not like we didn’t know what we were agreeing to.
06-08-2021, 03:21 PM
#445
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,750
Based on a recent SWAPA email this seems to be correct. We’ll see what happens. Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy the time off. I think we will all be back plenty soon.
06-08-2021, 03:29 PM
#446
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
Based on the CA's experience I just flew with, you'll be paid LG for the month. Any flying you pick up after training is complete will just reduce the LG they pay you. So he basically flew a couple legs for free, unintentionally. Not sure if that's changed but it sounds like a fairly recent deal.
06-08-2021, 04:54 PM
#447
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 252
Min guarantee or training plus trips flown, whatever is more. No incentive to pick up unless you train early in the month and are at/over guarantee with training and remaining flying…unless you just enjoy working for no extra pay…kinda the antithesis of anyone who took ExTO.
06-08-2021, 09:25 PM
#448
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,919
I won’t turn away easy money while it’s here though.
06-09-2021, 02:37 AM
#449
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 831
Been doing some napkin math:
Retirements:
2021: 67
2022: 126
2023: 174
Aircraft Orders / Retirements / Net Gain
2022: 104 / 15 (estimate) / 89
2023: 100 / 30 (estimate) / 70
Additional Pilots Required (2021 hiring folded into 2022 estimates):
2022 - (89 * 13) + (67 + 126) = 1,350
2023 - (70 * 13) + 174 = 1,084
Currently we have 9100 pilots.
Hypothetical seniority of a very pessimistic 2014 hire today - 65%
At the end of 2022 - 57%
At the end of 2023 - 50%
By the end of 2023 we should be upgrading pilots hired in 2017, or 6 year upgrades. I'm going to assume if times are good, the most junior captain will 62% seniority.
Retirements:
2021: 67
2022: 126
2023: 174
Aircraft Orders / Retirements / Net Gain
2022: 104 / 15 (estimate) / 89
2023: 100 / 30 (estimate) / 70
Additional Pilots Required (2021 hiring folded into 2022 estimates):
2022 - (89 * 13) + (67 + 126) = 1,350
2023 - (70 * 13) + 174 = 1,084
Currently we have 9100 pilots.
Hypothetical seniority of a very pessimistic 2014 hire today - 65%
At the end of 2022 - 57%
At the end of 2023 - 50%
By the end of 2023 we should be upgrading pilots hired in 2017, or 6 year upgrades. I'm going to assume if times are good, the most junior captain will 62% seniority.
Last edited by Proximity; 06-09-2021 at 02:58 AM.
06-09-2021, 03:39 AM
#450
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Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,774
Been doing some napkin math:
Retirements:
2021: 67
2022: 126
2023: 174
Aircraft Orders / Retirements / Net Gain
2022: 104 / 15 (estimate) / 89
2023: 100 / 30 (estimate) / 70
Additional Pilots Required (2021 hiring folded into 2022 estimates):
2022 - (89 * 13) + (67 + 126) = 1,350
2023 - (70 * 13) + 174 = 1,084
Currently we have 9100 pilots.
Hypothetical seniority of a very pessimistic 2014 hire today - 65%
At the end of 2022 - 57%
At the end of 2023 - 50%
By the end of 2023 we should be upgrading pilots hired in 2017, or 6 year upgrades. I'm going to assume if times are good, the most junior captain will 62% seniority.
Retirements:
2021: 67
2022: 126
2023: 174
Aircraft Orders / Retirements / Net Gain
2022: 104 / 15 (estimate) / 89
2023: 100 / 30 (estimate) / 70
Additional Pilots Required (2021 hiring folded into 2022 estimates):
2022 - (89 * 13) + (67 + 126) = 1,350
2023 - (70 * 13) + 174 = 1,084
Currently we have 9100 pilots.
Hypothetical seniority of a very pessimistic 2014 hire today - 65%
At the end of 2022 - 57%
At the end of 2023 - 50%
By the end of 2023 we should be upgrading pilots hired in 2017, or 6 year upgrades. I'm going to assume if times are good, the most junior captain will 62% seniority.
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