Upgrade times
05-20-2021, 08:35 AM
#331
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 270
So if the rumor of new hires in Oct are true then when would the 500 ExTOs have to start training to get them all done? They cant even train the June ones in June. I still say upgrades in Sept and Oct, maybe a sprinkling of recalls in Nov then everyone back Jan/Feb with a new hire class at the end of Feb.
05-20-2021, 08:37 AM
#332
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,797
They can recall them in Aug and Sept and then start classes in October. And the company doesn’t “have to” train them since they wouldn’t agree to making the EXTO into a side letter or even agreeing to their own FAQs. Theoretically they could hire and recall concurrently and just say “we changed our mind on the FAQ, tough luck”.
05-20-2021, 09:09 AM
#333
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 831
I'm guessing it's highly likely that the last of the ExTO pilots will be finishing up as we start to see a new hire class.
05-20-2021, 09:58 AM
#335
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
however if the current bypass ratio continues into the next 1000 upgrades, that puts a 2015 hire’s upgrade even earlier. There are about 900 FOs bypassing out of 7600 active pilots
05-20-2021, 10:06 AM
#336
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
Those guys were all eligible to upgrade but held out for a better domicile, to avoid reserve, or to get one more vacation bid in at their FO seniority. Then Covid hits and they find themselves stuck in the right seat for another 18 months. My bet is they find religion and the vast majority jump on the first upgrade opportunity they see.
05-20-2021, 10:08 AM
#337
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,021
Those guys were all eligible to upgrade but held out for a better domicile, to avoid reserve, or to get one more vacation bid in at their FO seniority. Then Covid hits and they find themselves stuck in the right seat for another 18 months. My bet is they find religion and the vast majority jump on the first upgrade opportunity they see.
05-20-2021, 10:27 AM
#338
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 831
Factoring everything in, moving from senior FO to junior captain at Southwest has always been a "small" move. The gap closes even more if you have to take a 6 month seat lock and a west coast base.
05-20-2021, 10:32 AM
#339
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
You say this like being a senior FO is some kind of hardship. COVID was a great time to be a senior FO. Hindsight favored pulling your trips, you could bid amazing LG bars, and no worries about getting displaced, clear board to add flying to, etc. I had my best block to pay ratio in 2020, and would have had my best year in overall pay if I would have been more motivated to go into work.
Factoring everything in, moving from senior FO to junior captain at Southwest has always been a "small" move. The gap closes even more if you have to take a 6 month seat lock and a west coast base.
Factoring everything in, moving from senior FO to junior captain at Southwest has always been a "small" move. The gap closes even more if you have to take a 6 month seat lock and a west coast base.
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