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Old 12-31-2021, 04:58 PM
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How long does initial training typically last?
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Old 12-31-2021, 05:05 PM
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How long does initial training typically last?
8 weeks, give or take.
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Old 12-31-2021, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by icohftb
Are you usually able to commute back on the last day or stuck spending another night before you can make it home?
Depends if you can make the redeye outta SFO yes! If your based in LAX it’s much easier obviously. As for lance it’s always gonna go senior to junior captain! But some of those guys were chasing the seat around the country for the past two years as well! As for being a junior captain I personally think it’s worth it for a variety of reasons. But if your waiting for something closer to home to not commute that’s understandable. If your waiting to hold a home base + better seniority you might be waiting an additional 3-6 years depending on the base for that seniority. I don’t have regrets for taking first available! But also I do think upgrade will drop because alot of senior FO’s out of BWI, MCO and Atlanta will not take it.
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Old 12-31-2021, 06:40 PM
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What has your experience been like? I mean, I know it's crappy. But curious how you're managing it?
I generally block the trips together when I can. When I have reserve I really can not do much with them, so I either get lucky and trade out and move the trip to make a 6 day with stuff or if I have the space Ill pick up any base westward to make it essentially a paid commute. Same with going home if I have space.

The late flights luckily I have a few red eyes I can grab if want to get back early, but anyone who has done alot fo them can tell you they kick your butt the next day.

Ive lost probably 20-30 TFP a month having to commute to reserve. When I was east coast based I could make stuff work much easier. Its a pain, its temporary. But it still sucks. I feel for anyone who gets put in my or this situation.

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Old 12-31-2021, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman81
As for being a junior captain I personally think it’s worth it for a variety of reasons.
Let's hear them!
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Old 12-31-2021, 08:55 PM
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Let's hear them!
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Old 12-31-2021, 09:20 PM
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Sick time paid at captain rates. And…
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Old 01-01-2022, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Let's hear them!

For me the commute isn’t that bad. I usually get a trip so I am not sitting in a hotel. You get to fly with your favorite captain on the trip. After 11.5 years in the right seat it was good to have a change. Also the pay is great. Everyone has different reasons for upgrade. But for the people touting senior FO schedules, to wait for something similar in the right seat will be a decade. Also that’s why I believe you will see a high bypass rate this year.
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Old 01-01-2022, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman81
For me the commute isn’t that bad. I usually get a trip so I am not sitting in a hotel. You get to fly with your favorite captain on the trip. After 11.5 years in the right seat it was good to have a change. Also the pay is great. Everyone has different reasons for upgrade. But for the people touting senior FO schedules, to wait for something similar in the right seat will be a decade. Also that’s why I believe you will see a high bypass rate this year.

Could you talk a little more about the commute? What is junior on the west coast, AMs or PMs? Are you typically able to get out of there on the last day of your reserve block?

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Old 01-01-2022, 08:56 PM
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Zap I’m sure you are senior to me but I see your wheels turning. I’m a seven year guy that will bid for a junior upgrade since it will be west coast. I’ll commute for it. My kids are finishing high school, one in college, and I’m a divorcee with amicable terms. I’m 46, so I figure if I go out long term sick it’s the biggest benefit. That and I’ve been a 121 FO for nearly 14 years not including my 9 years of corporate flying. I’m ready for a change. Just do it!
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