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Black Coffee

The kool aid is strong with that one, some people are hard to wake up. I guess furlough letters under the christmas tree is just fine for some.

ZapBrannigan

Thank you. That was gonna drive me nuts.

NotMrNiceGuy

I think this is a matter of perspective. Concerning your first point about management and union cooperation, these solutions weren’t without contention. I’m not at UAL, but I do have friends there. And judging by the forums, the UAL pilot group is easily the most fractious on this side of the pandemic. That’s solely because of the trail that was blazed by management. They got their 99%, but that didn’t come without a steep price. They are the only airline to take that route.

As far as no pilots being furloughed, if I’m not mistaken, didn’t SWA and DAL also avoid furloughs? I may have that wrong, but I thought that they just sent out letters. I don’t remember exactly how UAL avoided furloughs, but I initially remember talks about the senior pilots taking a pay cut to support the junior pilots. These are the same senior pilots that endured 9/11 and great recession furloughs. I never had to endure a furlough, but I felt that was disrespectful to those senior guys. Again, maybe DAL and SWA did something similar, but I don’t recall.

As far as pilot hiring, we’ll see what SWA has in store. But pilots are a strange animal to me. Company performance was a major driver me in my job search. But most pilots don’t have that at the top. There’s currently a DAL vs. UAL thread somewhere. In my mind, DAL has made nearly three times the profit (not revenue) of UAL over the last decade. Plus, massive profit sharing. Steady growth. DAL hands down. You know who 80% of the pilots said they favored? UAL. Because WBs and seniority. Seniority at either carrier is not that different; something less than 10%. I don’t think company performance was even mentioned. All this to say, the lure of WB is a lure that SWA does not have so they are at a disadvantage which will be interesting to watch play out the next few years.

Mozam

If you do not like here leave. The favorite words out of the management at this place

4V14T0R

Exactly. I'd rather make this place better. It's such a shallow argument to make to tell someone to just leave. We all know this is seniority/longevity driven career. The koolaid drinkers just don't want to hear anyone say mean things about their beloved airline.


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avi8er

let me guess you voted yes for TA1? Get some self worth man.

ConfirmActivate

As a 1221’er, our little WARN stunt will not be soon forgotten and management has some giant hurdles to clear but… I’m glad I wasn’t making 50% pay as recently as May.

That being said, I’m very happy for all my United friends and the breakneck movement going on over there. It’s just interesting to me that the same people who were afraid of losing their house 6 months ago are now thumping their chest. Just a little observation from my group of friends.

Zman81

Actually no I didn’t. But still doesn’t change the fact your statement was full of BS.

avi8er

go keep drinking ur kool aids. I am not going to waste my time explaining to you why our contract is lacking behind our peers. BS is all coming from you. You definitely have the qualities that they need at management. You definitely voted yes for TA1.