Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

LOL Lew... thanks for the trigger warning...

Now that you've done an absolutely phenomenal job outlining everything that's wrong and taking an umpteen millionth dump on this pilot group, would THIS perhaps be the time you'd tell us what to do... maybe? Just a thought? Take pity on some of us knuckle-draggers and tell us your solutions we're obviously missing. That's all I've been asking of you for years now... specific, concrete solutions, specific steps our union should take to achieve this contractual nirvana you're seeking. Get into the weeds, man... into minutiae. Tell us HOW we can use the RLA against the company when we're negotiating a contract towards our favor, i.e. not concessions with threats of BK/furloughs. What specifically has SWAPA been doing wrong going into this? What are Casey and Jody doing wrong? What are they missing? How can we help them? Start typing.

I don't want to click on links. I don't want to 'read between the lines.' I don't want "primers." I know more about RLA, Chapter 11, and airline politics and processes than I care to. I want YOU to expend just a fraction of the energy you spend $hitting all over this pilot group every time you post and tell us exactly what we're doing wrong and how do we fix it. I want you to show the specific misses our union makes, and do so publicly. I don't wanna hear about TA1 voters... I want to hear about C2020. The only reference I want to see to the old TA1 or even TA2 is how unlike back then, we should do x,y,z.

Is it so hard to put down your solutions, or are you a one trick pony?

/trigger or something

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Spinning wheels. If you won’t even click a link to learn a little bit about how you might help yourself, I can’t help you. Your post is much of what’s wrong in a nutshell. You want to be spoon-fed and hand-held through a process that YOU can figure out on your own. If you can’t invest a few hours to do some of your own research in order to help your own career, I don’t know what to tell you. What would you tell someone who didn’t want to do the work? What would tell someone who expected to be spoon-fed? You don’t trust the MSM, right? Why would you trust me to accurately inform you? Do the work to figure it out.

Originally Posted by CA1900

I agree with the rest of your post, but the RLA is stacked against labor. That's by the design. It was specifically written to neuter our ability to strike, and that lessens our leverage. It's definitely not impossible to make great gains, but it's more difficult and more time-consuming than operating under the NLRA would be.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

It’s not stacked against labor. It is designed to draw out the negotiating process to minimize the chances of an interruption of commerce. In that sense, it’s tilted toward the flying public. If it’s tilted against either side, it’s tilted against the less patient and less informed side. That side is usually labor in the airline industry. So, in that way, yes it’s tilted against labor. But it’s not the RLA that does the tilting, it’s labor itself that tilts the RLA against labor.

The RLA doesn’t neuter our ability to strike. How does it do that? There’s only one body within the United States that can prevent labor from striking and if it does so, it occurs completely outside the bounds of the RLA and after the RLA has completely exhausted itself. It has never used that power to avert an airline strike. It’s a rare occurrence and has only happened so far within the confines of the railroad industry.

Here’s a good primer on the RLA, written by a NMB mediator.

Originally Posted by madduck

a 'buddy', though that relationship is waning, was 100% in on forfeiting 10% of our pay.
he preaches that "we need to do what's best for the company at all times. we need them, they dont need us."
he also voted Yes on TA1.


i told him TA1 was BS.
i told him this 10% cut was BS.
i told him 'your welcome' for your pay raise with TA2, and the B Fund.
as a senior FO the dude lived on premium, always texted me about his fat turn or 2 day he got at 1.5 pay.
he'll drop what he's doing to fly prem as a capt of course.
when i point out to him that if he got that trip at P then he for sure would have gotten it at Straight.
his response, well, it's not that much or that often.

some people are not salvagable.

Originally Posted by Rolf

2020 was difficult. I'm just glad the boss was able to get thru it unscathed.
https://www.execpay.org/news/southwe...mpensation-951

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

We also never voted on any covid concessions. How’s that saying go about it not mattering what people say, it matters what they actually spend their time and money on?

Maybe history won’t repeat itself this time around. But we have a ~50 year history of succumbing to FUD and propaganda. Maybe we’ve entered a new era with all of our millennial and Gen Z guys. Maybe. But there’s another saying that says something like history may be different but it usually rhymes. I’m pretty resigned to seeing the same old thing play out. But I hope I’m wrong.

Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK

I have no prob with his pay, seems low, but let's get past that and get on to the 1221 thing.

My vast military experience as both an 18 year old enlistee, and as an officer after graduating college would make me a good candidate for being a member of the steering committee or something!

I'm thinking we set up "1221" clubs in all the crew rooms, where you can get a refreshment, a snack. We can even put up a little sign "1221" and the bosses will know what it means, and they'll know that we know that they know what it means and don't care.

We'll put up a black curtain like they used to have in the old days on those camera's that puffed and smoked when you took a picture, so we can do our secret handshake without any outsiders seeing it. A suggestion box that says "contract negotiation .ideas" on it. We could just sit there and leer at everyone who is not in the club.

Just some ideas.