Smokey23

I admit, I'm contributing to the thread drift...

As a desert rat, we really enjoy the modest area (~1000 sqft) of bermuda/rye grass in our backyard. Some of our neighbors have gone with turf, and while it does look good, in the height of an AZ summer, it is about as cool as asphalt to walk on.

Huell

He is talking St. Augustine grass so yes he is very much in the South ... unless it is really artificial turf ... hummmm

Sqwk7700

This is the main issue keeping me from switching. Way too hot.

madduck

a 'buddy', though that relationship is waning, was 100% in on forfeiting 10% of our pay.
he preaches that "we need to do what's best for the company at all times. we need them, they dont need us."
he also voted Yes on TA1.


i told him TA1 was BS.
i told him this 10% cut was BS.
i told him 'your welcome' for your pay raise with TA2, and the B Fund.
as a senior FO the dude lived on premium, always texted me about his fat turn or 2 day he got at 1.5 pay.
he'll drop what he's doing to fly prem as a capt of course.
when i point out to him that if he got that trip at P then he for sure would have gotten it at Straight.
his response, well, it's not that much or that often.

some people are not salvagable.

Lewbronski

Trigger warning for RJS: you may not want to read past this point.

In my experience, it seems like most of the people I fly with hold attitudes similar to this. It’s the airline pilot manifestation of trickle-down economics: the belief that if I do everything I can to “empower” the corporation to maximize profits, including foregoing pay and benefits, then that will result in me being better off in the long run. The very prevalent arguments warning against “choking the golden goose” are an example of this. So are the “squozen balloon” theorists who argue that advocating for better is pointless because the pie is only so big: a gain in one place equals a loss in another. Then there’s the equally defeatist and damaging views of those who are convinced the RLA is stacked against us: they claim we’ll never achieve anything meaningful because the law favors corporations. Though if you ask them to explain in basic terms how the RLA works they can’t manage to string together anything intelligible. Instead, they default to parroting recollected gibberish they heard somewhere from someone. It’s like Q-Anon thinking applied to the airline pilot career. It is what it is and will always be.

CA1900

I agree with the rest of your post, but the RLA is stacked against labor. That's by the design. It was specifically written to neuter our ability to strike, and that lessens our leverage. It's definitely not impossible to make great gains, but it's more difficult and more time-consuming than operating under the NLRA would be.

GearAlarm

I think your Q Annon conspiracy and trickle down logic is far to complex. People do what they believe is in their best self interest. Period. If it aligns with anything else, so be it. Case in point, I didn't fly with a single person who would have voted away 10% for furlough relief at the end of last year. That may be anecdotal, but I think it holds. SWAPA did a great job, and our membership responded appropriately. I see no reason to panic. Let's all take a breath.

Lewbronski

It’s not stacked against labor. It is designed to draw out the negotiating process to minimize the chances of an interruption of commerce. In that sense, it’s tilted toward the flying public. If it’s tilted against either side, it’s tilted against the less patient and less informed side. That side is usually labor in the airline industry. So, in that way, yes it’s tilted against labor. But it’s not the RLA that does the tilting, it’s labor itself that tilts the RLA against labor.

The RLA doesn’t neuter our ability to strike. How does it do that? There’s only one body within the United States that can prevent labor from striking and if it does so, it occurs completely outside the bounds of the RLA and after the RLA has completely exhausted itself. It has never used that power to avert an airline strike. It’s a rare occurrence and has only happened so far within the confines of the railroad industry.

Here’s a good primer on the RLA, written by a NMB mediator.

Lewbronski

We also never voted on any covid concessions. How’s that saying go about it not mattering what people say, it matters what they actually spend their time and money on?

Maybe history won’t repeat itself this time around. But we have a ~50 year history of succumbing to FUD and propaganda. Maybe we’ve entered a new era with all of our millennial and Gen Z guys. Maybe. But there’s another saying that says something like history may be different but it usually rhymes. I’m pretty resigned to seeing the same old thing play out. But I hope I’m wrong.

RJSAviator76

LOL Lew... thanks for the trigger warning...

Now that you've done an absolutely phenomenal job outlining everything that's wrong and taking an umpteen millionth dump on this pilot group, would THIS perhaps be the time you'd tell us what to do... maybe? Just a thought? Take pity on some of us knuckle-draggers and tell us your solutions we're obviously missing. That's all I've been asking of you for years now... specific, concrete solutions, specific steps our union should take to achieve this contractual nirvana you're seeking. Get into the weeds, man... into minutiae. Tell us HOW we can use the RLA against the company when we're negotiating a contract towards our favor, i.e. not concessions with threats of BK/furloughs. What specifically has SWAPA been doing wrong going into this? What are Casey and Jody doing wrong? What are they missing? How can we help them? Start typing.

I don't want to click on links. I don't want to 'read between the lines.' I don't want "primers." I know more about RLA, Chapter 11, and airline politics and processes than I care to. I want YOU to expend just a fraction of the energy you spend $hitting all over this pilot group every time you post and tell us exactly what we're doing wrong and how do we fix it. I want you to show the specific misses our union makes, and do so publicly. I don't wanna hear about TA1 voters... I want to hear about C2020. The only reference I want to see to the old TA1 or even TA2 is how unlike back then, we should do x,y,z.

Is it so hard to put down your solutions, or are you a one trick pony?

/trigger or something