Zman81

The vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread hence why after getting it you still need to wear a mask cause you can spread it. Second it’s going to end up a rolling vaccine like the flu. Recently Pfizer has said 3rd dose will be needed. The idea that you can force people to take vaccines will not fly. If you have an adverse reaction and lose your medical who is going to replace the income and retirement lost? Swa ? I don’t think so...I have had both the Covid this year a flu. The flu to me was worse. But yes some die from it like some in my family that had other underlying health conditions. To me the biggest problem I have with the vaccine is not the vaccine itself. It’s that all the pharma companies are removed from ALL liability. Meaning you can even sue them for medical bills let alone lost wages.

MudhammedCJ

That lack of pharmaceutical company liability is true for all vaccines. It has been for decades now. Regardless, this "vaccine" is different in that it's not really a vaccine in the traditional sense. Don't go by how Merriam-Webster defines the word though, they quietly changed their definition last month to incorporate these new "vaccines."

As has been said, you can get the covid "vaccine" and still get infected by and pass on covid to others. How are you immunized if that is not only possible, but likely? Show me someone getting and giving measles or polio after having been vaccinated for those diseases.

I get that there is more than just living or dying though. I know people with long/longer term covid effects. Even if your chances of dying as a healthy individual under 70 are very minimal, there are those that suffer from lung damage, etc. No one wants to be included in those statistics. But if there are therapeutic treatments that are effective, wouldn't you like to know your options and be able to make an informed decision with your doctor? Unfortunately it has all been politicised for whatever reasons. Who knows what the truth is?

I do know that I don't want to be a Guinea Pig without more information and actual non-biased studies and statistics on the efficacy of the "vaccines" AND the various therapeutic treatments. Whether that drug company is getting billions for jabbing the population with a new type of vaccine or only 50 cents for the horse or malaria pill, I think we should individually decide how we treat. And that doesn't mean we get relegated to second class citizens without the ability to travel etc. for having made that decision. I'm trying to see the perspective of the "you must vaccinate" crowd. I think it would be wise for them to look a little deeper into the other sides perspective also.

e6bpilot

A couple of misconceptions to clear up.

It's a vaccine, not a "vaccine".

It's not experimental. We aren't test subjects. mRNA has been used successfully in cancer treatment for about a decade and this same vaccine was developed, tested, and shelved after SARS abated. Hundreds of millions of doses have been given successfully.

In all likelihood, it probably does prevent transmission, as early studies done in Israel (who had a vaccinated population) show it is highly effective in preventing asymptomatic transmission. The final, peer reviewed studies in the US are expected in the next couple of months. In the meantime, though, we are being told to act like it doesn't because safety, I guess.

I am not for, nor will I ever be for, mandatory vaccines. Make your own choice. Own it, though, and prepare for any negative consequences that result.

Zman81

They don’t have immunity on all vaccines! It’s just this one because it was done through emergency orders. Look it up it’s actually shocking. If you see the history of Pfizer they have been sued many times and actually lost !!!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-vaccine/

LUVisLost

Ah so many fallacies and misstatements all wrapped up into one post it would take a dissertation to separate and refute it all with facts.

I’ll do a quick one though and just hit the big ones. First off there is not going to be BILLIONS in profits for the vaccine makers. Astra and J&J have pledged to sell it at cost, around 4 dollars a jab. Moderna, who happened to spend BILLIONS to develop the absolutely amazing RNA technology is around 37 a jab but they have years of R&D and higher transportation costs to recover so they most likely will not make much if any on the vaccine. I can happily send you links to the websites that have done detailed financial analysis into that fact if you want.

The fact that Asta and J&J have both been paused due to blood clotting investigations tells us the system of checks and balances are working and free of political pull. They saw an issue and decided to pause it as they investigate it. It seems after a detailed mathematical analysis it has the side effects on par with some birth control medicine. I’d imagine this week J&J will be once again on the market. If there was political pull it would be ignored, see SputnikV to see how that works.

The definition of a vaccine has not changed. It’s been the same for decades. Cut and pasted below.

Definition of vaccine
: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious disease:

These same people who claimed it was changed actually earlier said the dictionary changed the definition of a virus because of COVID 19 last year. That was proven false also.

I’m not going to get into efficacy and efficiencies of vaccines and how viruses can still be spread as I don’t want this to get too long but please be objective and get off of Q endorsed websites, the father son team that faked that whole to thing has been exposed, but damned for how much money they made it’s a tempting proposition....

In short, you can have your own opinion but you can not have your own set of facts. Facts are indisputable.

I could care less if you get it, as more and more people get it the defense against it gets weaker and weaker. We will never get 100 percent or 90 percent. Society will end up protecting you in a socialized sort of way, herd immunity is the definition of socialization if you think about it. Now if I had my way though if you chose not to get it and come down with it you can not get public medical aid in any way but that would never pass muster with the bleeding hearts....

Lastly every company should be free to decide if they will accept deniers on their products or not. Because it still can be spread to others it creates a legal liability in relation to employers and employees and other patrons. Plus private business can do what they want to do without recourse from the federal government within certain boundaries of course but virus infection is not a protected class. So you don’t get it Carnival can say no cruise for you and it’s legal and correct.

hoover

Since it is an experimental drug and not approved by the FDA what happens if a side effect causes one to lose his medical with regard to LTD?
will they pay out till age 65 or say sorry you took an experimental drug no soup for you?

LUVisLost

Did you just quote the children’s health defense? Might want to check the bias of that source...

Actually it’s a little more complicated than that. 2005 they passed a law that allows the HHS Director to shield vaccines from lawsuits barring and I will quote from the law unless there's "willful misconduct" by the company. Prior to that it was more nuanced.

That law expires in 2024.

Personally I feel that law is the reason the vaccines were developed so fast. Who would have thought legal protections would lead to innovations in an industry. Oh wait that what happened in aviation when they passed legal protections also....I digress

e6bpilot

It's not experimental. It is approved under an EUA.

LUVisLost

I was bored and did a little research into the fallacy of the phrase "experimental covid vaccine". It seems to have originated in a FB post that was spread life wildfire across the internet. It's been widely debunked but it continues to live on no matter how much harm it has done. They actually tracked down the original post and tried to contact the person who posted it but it seems the person closed down the account when Reuters asked for the facts behind the post.

Anyway you are correct its not Experimental. It does not "modify" ones DNA and it has passed every single trial it has had. Modern technology is an amazing thing, Today is better than yesterday and tomorrow will be better than today! If mRNA technology is not the pinnacle of mans dominance over Mother Nature than I can not wait to see what is!

Zard

I really hope I'm just not picking up the sarcasm or irony in this statement. I am dense, so that's entirely possible. If so, my bad!

The last 15 months should have shown the hubris behind this sentiment, especially considering how with orange man bad gone, we're getting a better look at the lab leak hypothesis and potential dangers of gain of function research. We are just as culpable as the Chinese, if this is the case, considering NIH grant money was funneled into the WIV to do gain of function research on bat coronaviruses.