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04-29-2021, 11:10 PM
#112
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43% pay raise did it for Spirit... Not saying it's right or would work here, but you did ask.
Would a 43% pay raise be enough to justify PBS if we could keep all of our work rules? That's 6 digits take-home for a significant chunk of our pilot group. I'm not sayin, I'm askin.
Would a 43% pay raise be enough to justify PBS if we could keep all of our work rules? That's 6 digits take-home for a significant chunk of our pilot group. I'm not sayin, I'm askin.
04-30-2021, 12:32 AM
#113
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43% pay raise did it for Spirit... Not saying it's right or would work here, but you did ask.
Would a 43% pay raise be enough to justify PBS if we could keep all of our work rules? That's 6 digits take-home for a significant chunk of our pilot group. I'm not sayin, I'm askin.
Would a 43% pay raise be enough to justify PBS if we could keep all of our work rules? That's 6 digits take-home for a significant chunk of our pilot group. I'm not sayin, I'm askin.
04-30-2021, 11:14 PM
#116
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But if your W-2 says $300k now, a 43% pay raise would be fairly close to $100k/yr extra take home.
You sidestepped the question with a nice little straw man counter-argument, so... is 43%, which would work out to 6 figure increase for a lot of people, enough to justify PBS like it was for Spirit?
In the interest of full disclosure, that 43% was "total compensation". The pay scale didn't exactly go up 43%, they got 401k direct contribution up to 15% in addition to a few other minor gimme items that had value. It still works out to a 6 figure increase in total compensation for a lot of people no matter how you slice and dice it, and a goodly chunk of the 43% is tax sheltered, deferred, or exempt. No taxes on improved or cheaper medical benefits, no taxes on per diem rate increases because they're still below federal limits, deferred taxes on 401k direct contribution, etc. Again, 6 figures for a lot of people.
Where's the threshold, pay scale or "total compensation", that would perhaps grudgingly convince 51% to vote yes for PBS? Just curious, the answer is likely different for everyone. One thing that is fairly clear is that when the mediator told ALPA to take their 43% and run, that pretty much set the cap on contract wins for the foreseeable future and put a price tag on PBS with a group that appeared to be as adamantly anti-PBS as we are, until suddenly they weren't.
04-30-2021, 11:21 PM
#117
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They also said we had to give up 10% or we'd all die, and it would be our fault they furloughed in a year where the executives took home millions in bonuses. Well, not exactly those words but for sure that's what they meant.
05-01-2021, 07:00 AM
#118
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I never said it did.
But if your W-2 says $300k now, a 43% pay raise would be fairly close to $100k/yr extra take home.
You sidestepped the question with a nice little straw man counter-argument, so... is 43%, which would work out to 6 figure increase for a lot of people, enough to justify PBS like it was for Spirit?
In the interest of full disclosure, that 43% was "total compensation". The pay scale didn't exactly go up 43%, they got 401k direct contribution up to 15% in addition to a few other minor gimme items that had value. It still works out to a 6 figure increase in total compensation for a lot of people no matter how you slice and dice it, and a goodly chunk of the 43% is tax sheltered, deferred, or exempt. No taxes on improved or cheaper medical benefits, no taxes on per diem rate increases because they're still below federal limits, deferred taxes on 401k direct contribution, etc. Again, 6 figures for a lot of people.
Where's the threshold, pay scale or "total compensation", that would perhaps grudgingly convince 51% to vote yes for PBS? Just curious, the answer is likely different for everyone. One thing that is fairly clear is that when the mediator told ALPA to take their 43% and run, that pretty much set the cap on contract wins for the foreseeable future and put a price tag on PBS with a group that appeared to be as adamantly anti-PBS as we are, until suddenly they weren't.
But if your W-2 says $300k now, a 43% pay raise would be fairly close to $100k/yr extra take home.
You sidestepped the question with a nice little straw man counter-argument, so... is 43%, which would work out to 6 figure increase for a lot of people, enough to justify PBS like it was for Spirit?
In the interest of full disclosure, that 43% was "total compensation". The pay scale didn't exactly go up 43%, they got 401k direct contribution up to 15% in addition to a few other minor gimme items that had value. It still works out to a 6 figure increase in total compensation for a lot of people no matter how you slice and dice it, and a goodly chunk of the 43% is tax sheltered, deferred, or exempt. No taxes on improved or cheaper medical benefits, no taxes on per diem rate increases because they're still below federal limits, deferred taxes on 401k direct contribution, etc. Again, 6 figures for a lot of people.
Where's the threshold, pay scale or "total compensation", that would perhaps grudgingly convince 51% to vote yes for PBS? Just curious, the answer is likely different for everyone. One thing that is fairly clear is that when the mediator told ALPA to take their 43% and run, that pretty much set the cap on contract wins for the foreseeable future and put a price tag on PBS with a group that appeared to be as adamantly anti-PBS as we are, until suddenly they weren't.
05-01-2021, 07:45 AM
#120
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