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Old 02-28-2021, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
It seems that the vast majority of AT people are very happy, despite the loss of seniority. I met some who had applications at Southwest when the merger was announced and those guys felt like they won the lottery as they were prepared to start on the bottom of the list at year 1 pay.

I've only met 2 disgruntled Trannies in 5 years, and one of those readily admits that merging in at relative seniority would have been a huge windfall for AirTran as they had a far younger group.

The vast majority of guys say that it seemed like a bad deal at the time and felt like they were negotiating with a gun to their head, but over the course of their career, even after losing some seniority, virtually all admit they're far better off than they would have been at Tran.

Now, I've met plenty who complain about how we fly the plane and our procedures. I can relate to that. But overall, I'd say the overwhelming majority are great guys who are happy to be here and aren't a disgruntled bunch.

Your fair and balanced opinion and use of facts have no place here, sir.

Agreed. Overall a great group of guys. I have flown and simmed with a few one percenters from AT, but lord knows OSW has their fair share as well. The avoidance bid group in my base is all OG Southwest.

I generally find that the amount I enjoy flying with someone is directly proportional to the amount of time it takes for them to tell me that they used to be with airtran. If it comes out in the preflight briefing, the hair on the back of my neck generally stands up. It's the equivalent of "I'm pretty laid back".
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Your fair and balanced opinion and use of facts have no place here, sir.

Agreed. Overall a great group of guys. I have flown and simmed with a few one percenters from AT, but lord knows OSW has their fair share as well. The avoidance bid group in my base is all OG Southwest.

I generally find that the amount I enjoy flying with someone is directly proportional to the amount of time it takes for them to tell me that they used to be with airtran. If it comes out in the preflight briefing, the hair on the back of my neck generally stands up. It's the equivalent of "I'm pretty laid back".
Or another one I hate hearing, “I’m by the book”. That usually means I’m going to be filling out an ASAP by the end of the week

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If a captain with whom I've never flown with tells me he's "laid back", I tell him I'm a check FO who strictly enforces standardized callouts and proper checklist usage, the sterile cockpit below 10,000 feet, cockpit door discipline, and that all the chiefs and check airmen are my drinking buddies in case he can't take constructive criticism of his flying performance...

And then I gotta look away if I can't keep a straight face.
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Originally Posted by Zman81
Actually no the bottom 300+ got stapled. Other parts of the list lost up for 30%. The only thing we brought over was longevity. I expect the same deal for whoever gets bought.
You also brought over all the 717 crews with no airplanes.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Morris Cptns got downgraded to FO but GOT PAY PROTECTED AS CPTNS. Something downgrading AirTran cptns did not.
They got paid as Morris Captains or SWA FOs whichever was greater. That meant they stopped being paid as Captains after the first year.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
If a captain with whom I've never flown with tells me he's "laid back", I tell him I'm a check FO who strictly enforces standardized callouts and proper checklist usage, the sterile cockpit below 10,000 feet, cockpit door discipline, and that all the chiefs and check airmen are my drinking buddies in case he can't take constructive criticism of his flying performance...

And then I gotta look away if I can't keep a straight face.
If I were the "laid back captain" I would have already been laughing hysterically when you said "check FO".
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Old 03-06-2021, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DHC8DRV
Or another one I hate hearing, “I’m by the book”. That usually means I’m going to be filling out an ASAP by the end of the week
There are some universal truths to this industry and the "Im laid back" and "I'm by the book" seem to be the biggest tells we have in this job. Its amazing how spot on the mentioned statements will produce the opposite results.

I remember the "Hey man, im super laid back, I fly by the book, lets have fun this trip, you fly how you want" Captain years back. I figuratively knew it was going to be a long trip.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
"you fly how you want"
"... unless you want to fly at ECON, do an RNP approach, configure 1 foot too early, miss the turnoff I wanted..."

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Originally Posted by CA1900
"... unless you want to fly at ECON, do an RNP approach, configure 1 foot too early, miss the turnoff I wanted..."


That is frighteningly accurate. Flew with one guy who started his brief with "I'm pretty laid back".

A few minutes later the jetway pulls back so I turn on the beacon. He reaches up and turns it off.

"You turned that on too early. You're going to blind the rampers" he said.

"You ARE laid back!" I replied.

That was a long trip.


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A few minutes later the jetway pulls back so I turn on the beacon. He reaches up and turns it off.
Woooooow.

Wonder if that was the same Dallas guy that slapped the APU switch back off after I tried to start it, with 6 minutes until push, the bags and pax all loaded, and the and an agent who said, "let's get you guys out early!"

Well, we would have been early...

I'm glad the lunatics are few and far between, but man, they stick out when you hit one. The trip I'm on now has been fantastic. We just finished our second day, and I still have no idea who he voted for.
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