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01-05-2021, 06:57 AM

#81

Rolf

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Joined APC: Mar 2010

Posts: 659

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbit64

After the last month, I can clearly see why JW is so popular. I hope the new guy has the same fire.
NO F’n way I’d want anything other than SWAPA

I think the new guy is going to be better. More importantly, hopefully we'll keep voting in good reps.
On a different note, it would be nice if the pilot unions could corporate on common issues (A4A like).

01-05-2021, 07:34 AM

#82

4V14T0R

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolf

Well we were part of CAPA at one point. I agree though.

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01-05-2021, 08:06 AM

#83

Mozam

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Joined APC: Jan 2016

Position: Left

Posts: 1,260

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

I think ALPA would have even less of a chance of showing up on property than Pref Bid......which is pretty damn low.

I will try to do one better

I see even a less change of ALPA showing up on property than Herb coming back.

01-05-2021, 09:17 AM

#84

at6d

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Joined APC: Mar 2015

Position: B737

Posts: 3,789

Paid ALPA dues for seven years back in my regional days. The best thing that happened was sending in my Comair Strike money. The worst thing was seeing our own ALPA people boozing it up at lavish events and having a no-strike contract. I want my money back.

01-05-2021, 09:33 AM

#85

saab2000

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Posts: 1,750

Quote:

Originally Posted by at6d

We had a no-strike/no-lockout clause. This stalemate kept both sides pretty honest.

There was plenty of abuse with ALPA at my regional, including double dipping by having ALPA buy trips for committee members to do ALPA work and then having the member pick up premium open time. That was the one time I got really POd and let my feelings be known. Supposedly it was banned but I knew it happened.

Overall I was happier having ALPA than not having ALPA. We had a good contract for a regional airline and I know the company hated it.

01-05-2021, 09:56 AM

#86

Profane Kahuna

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Posts: 1,174

Quote:

Originally Posted by bay982

Ok, instead of ‘force’ is it better to say that SWA didn’t involuntary come to a union agreement to reduce monthly guarantee hours as did UA and DL?

Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.

They tried to force pay cuts and Force Majeur through on the threat of furloughs (right before the holidays).

That they failed, doesn’t make the intent any less evil.

Watch what they do, not what they say..... and don’t be a sucker.

01-05-2021, 10:47 AM

#87

flensr

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Joined APC: Nov 2015

Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

They tried to force pay cuts and Force Majeur through on the threat of furloughs (right before the holidays).
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Then launched a fare war with the new year. $29 fares go get em!

01-05-2021, 10:58 AM

#88

Grumpyaviator

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Posts: 2,030

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozam

Could not have been said better. ALPA sucks, just go ask any EAL or TWA pilot .

Or any regional/lcc/ulcc guy.

Once a pilot becomes an ALPA officer he’s on a two-track career path. Anything he does regarding the pilot group is resume’ fodder for his ALPA career. He’ll throw the pilots under the bus with a sub-par contract just to have a win under his belt to impress Herndon. Additionally, Just in case he needs to use the relationships he’s built as pathways to management, he’ll never truly inflict any real pain on the company/FH, at the pilot’s expense.

What I’ve appreciated with SWAPA is their advocacy for the pilots, and not rubbing elbows with the company or getting involved in political issues that don’t affect us.