All WARN notices rescinded
01-03-2021, 02:01 PM
#61
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Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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That’s the ‘unforgivable’ part that just feels like a bummer, so many pilots here saying that the culture is dead forever. SWA seemed like a more pleasant place to work because people believed in being positive and treating coworkers well, which, admittedly takes effort.
SWA undoubtedly screwed up furlough and concessions discussions. That sucks. It created a lot of worry when it was least needed. My only point is that at the end, unlike many others, they didn’t furlough & they didn’t force pay concessions.
SWA undoubtedly screwed up furlough and concessions discussions. That sucks. It created a lot of worry when it was least needed. My only point is that at the end, unlike many others, they didn’t furlough & they didn’t force pay concessions.
01-03-2021, 03:27 PM
#62
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Worth repeating. Only way they could “force” concessions is through a FM clause or bankruptcy.
01-03-2021, 07:38 PM
#63
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Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.
01-03-2021, 08:12 PM
#64
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Ok, instead of ‘force’ is it better to say that SWA didn’t involuntary come to a union agreement to reduce monthly guarantee hours as did UA and DL?
Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.
Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.
01-03-2021, 08:27 PM
#65
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Ok, instead of ‘force’ is it better to say that SWA didn’t involuntary come to a union agreement to reduce monthly guarantee hours as did UA and DL?
Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.
Hopefully my point is clear. As unpleasant as the threat of furloughs and pay cuts is, it is distinctly better than actual furloughs and pay cuts.
However, it’s the government aid, not the company’s benevolence, that precluded the company from continuing to press forward with their attempts to turn their threats into reality. DO NOT FORGET.
01-04-2021, 07:03 AM
#66
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Mr K said they would do everything they could to avoid furloughs. They started the downturn with 4 billion in cash. At the end of the 3rd quarter they had spent 503 million of their own money and taken on lots of debt to bring the cash pile up to 12-14 billion. Then they said they would furlough. For what? An extra month or so of burn money and that would’ve been from the 10%. Furloughs would have had less of a yield. This when there was 4-5 years in the bank at the current burn rate. what did Mr K say again - “we will do all we can to avoid furloughs?”
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
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01-04-2021, 08:26 AM
#67
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Mr K said they would do everything they could to avoid furloughs. They started the downturn with 4 billion in cash. At the end of the 3rd quarter they had spent 503 million of their own money and taken on lots of debt to bring the cash pile up to 12-14 billion. Then they said they would furlough. For what? An extra month or so of burn money and that would’ve been from the 10%. Furloughs would have had less of a yield. This when there was 4-5 years in the bank at the current burn rate. what did Mr K say again - “we will do all we can to avoid furloughs?”
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
I feel the same way. I have found the WARN letter can be shrunk down and laminated and it will fit nicely in the blank screen of the MAX PFD. It will serve as a reminder to me to constantly be aware of what GK thinks of me. I have a larger version laminated and folded into a triangle for classroom training as my name plate.
Let this be known though, I don’t begrudge what he did as much as how he did it. Nothing like your kids reading about your loss of a job online right before Christmas...
It’s a job...nothing more.
01-04-2021, 08:44 AM
#68
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Mr K said they would do everything they could to avoid furloughs. They started the downturn with 4 billion in cash. At the end of the 3rd quarter they had spent 503 million of their own money and taken on lots of debt to bring the cash pile up to 12-14 billion. Then they said they would furlough. For what? An extra month or so of burn money and that would’ve been from the 10%. Furloughs would have had less of a yield. This when there was 4-5 years in the bank at the current burn rate. what did Mr K say again - “we will do all we can to avoid furloughs?”
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
So, I plan to stay here, and I don’t want to be angry the rest of my career. But I will remember. And I’m angry now. However, At the end of the day it is still a good job and it is fun even in pandemic times (but only in small doses). But I will never trust what Mr K says. He is all business that sees cost period. Nothing else. Everything about culture etc. that he professes is just fake. But the people of SWA still have some culture and some people still remember Herb. And I still want to fly with those people and I still would rather be one of those people when I’m 65 rather than a crotchety old pilot that spends the entire turn complaining. But for now, I’m still ****ed.
01-04-2021, 06:21 PM
#69
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Having lived through it, most of you will forget this affront to your sensibility's in the next 6 months to a year. You will have forgotten it by the time you vote on your next contract. Hopefully a “remnant” will not. It will take years for that “remnant”to find its voice and a few more years to rise up. Hopefully the “remnant” will lead your group away from the management-centric in house union and find its footing with ALPA. ALPA is not magic but it puts a comfortable wall between you and your airline executives. It is helpful to move away from whats good for SWA pilots and at least have a connection to what is good for other pilots.
Good luck either way it goes..
Good luck either way it goes..
01-04-2021, 06:45 PM
#70
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Having lived through it, most of you will forget this affront to your sensibility's in the next 6 months to a year. You will have forgotten it by the time you vote on your next contract. Hopefully a “remnant” will not. It will take years for that “remnant”to find its voice and a few more years to rise up. Hopefully the “remnant” will lead your group away from the management-centric in house union and find its footing with ALPA. ALPA is not magic but it puts a comfortable wall between you and your airline executives. It is helpful to move away from whats good for SWA pilots and at least have a connection to what is good for other pilots.
Good luck either way it goes..
Good luck either way it goes..
I wouldn’t exactly call SWAPA 2.0 a “management-centric in-house union.” At least not since 2016.
Also, do we get some super slick, hardcore, heavily-mustached negotiators that will suddenly make GK quiver in his boots?
You’re also forgetting that many of us belonged to ALPA and not just at regionals. In short, if we were to ever have a vote to allow those mustached heroes on our property, I would only hope there would be some profanity-prefaced NO vote options and not just NO. Somehow, a simple NO wouldn’t quite cut it.
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