Stimulus passed with airline relief - 20 Dec
12-23-2020, 06:41 AM
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You're simply wrong, you're blindly quoting propaganda. I don't know what is your source of information, but you're spreading misinformation. Do your homework next time and don't trust blindly the media only because it reinforces your opinions.
Here is what is in the relief bill:
$166 billion for stimulus checks
$325 b. in aid to small businesses (includes PPE)
$120 b. For unemployment assistance ($300/week for 11 weeks)
$82 b. for education (e.g. K-12 education grants)
$56 b. for health care (e.g. funding for testing)
$46 b. for transportation (includes PSP for airlines)
$83 b. For other spending (e.g. rental assistance, nutrition programs)
$40 b. for other tax cuts (e.g. employee retention tax credit, etc)
All the other stuff that right wing misinformation campaign tries to sell people is straight nonsense or part of other spending bills that were voted on separately (the budget and military bills). I'm not gonna write more details here, but it's not that hard to find credible information on that subject.
Btw, if you would really rather be furloughed than pay for that disgrace, I'm sure you can get a voluntary furlough or just quit. Nobody is gonna miss you.
Here is what is in the relief bill:
$166 billion for stimulus checks
$325 b. in aid to small businesses (includes PPE)
$120 b. For unemployment assistance ($300/week for 11 weeks)
$82 b. for education (e.g. K-12 education grants)
$56 b. for health care (e.g. funding for testing)
$46 b. for transportation (includes PSP for airlines)
$83 b. For other spending (e.g. rental assistance, nutrition programs)
$40 b. for other tax cuts (e.g. employee retention tax credit, etc)
All the other stuff that right wing misinformation campaign tries to sell people is straight nonsense or part of other spending bills that were voted on separately (the budget and military bills). I'm not gonna write more details here, but it's not that hard to find credible information on that subject.
Btw, if you would really rather be furloughed than pay for that disgrace, I'm sure you can get a voluntary furlough or just quit. Nobody is gonna miss you.
12-23-2020, 06:59 AM
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Admittedly the Hill has a slant, but this is a breakdown of the pork. Personal agenda of politicians and activists the American people should not be paying for.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...ief-bill%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...ief-bill%3famp
12-23-2020, 07:10 AM
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So you schooled Grumpy for not educating himself on the bill and now you are asking others to educate you on the very same bill you claimed to know. There is tens of millions in there for foreign countries. Take some of your own advice and do your own research while you eat your crow.
12-23-2020, 09:22 AM
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I didn't claim I knew the bill. I suggested that there is a lot of misleading information about the bill on the web. People repeat it without fact checking. On December 21st, both chambers of Congress passed a $2.3 trillion spending package: a roughly $1.4 trillion omnibus spending bill (consisting of 12 different bills to fund the government during 2021), and a separate (approximately $900 billion bill specifically for Covid relief). It's the $1.4 trillion part of the package that includes funding for US policies and priorities domestically and abroad. Many people (some deliberately, some not) conflate provisions of the Covid relief bill with provisions in the omnibus spending bill. You can agree or not whether financial aid to other countries is warranted or not, that's a separate discussion (and not a new one). What's important now is that the bill that took so long to pass and without which many people will suffer, is being stalled for political purposes by a lame duck president who supported it several days earlier.
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12-23-2020, 09:56 AM
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I’d say Pakistan will not be any more “gender friendly” as a result of this bill, but the Pakistani in charge of the country’s gender department and his US advocate are now millionaires. Meanwhile, Americans hit hardest by the pandemic get $600.
12-23-2020, 10:34 AM
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/ˈämnəˌbəs/
noun
noun: omnibus; plural noun: omnibuses
1.
a volume containing several novels or other items previously published separately.
"an omnibus of her first trilogy"
So you are upset with section K of the 133 package. That I agree with totally. Im upset we are spending so much on sections C, F and J. DoD spending is totally out of hand,. not to mention section Homeland security spending in F. Guess what though, those are totally separate from section M and N which is Cornovirus response. Section M is actually a supplemental part of the bill. I say pull it out and pass it separately, something someone in the Senate already said they would not do, and duke it out on the other sections while the government is shutdown. I mean what's the big deal right? No funding for the government just means they can not support anything and even with M and N pulled out and passed separately there would be no way to get the funding to the people and departments to fight the virus anyway as everything else is shutdown. But what do I know....
600 is appalling but EVERYTHING the right wing media is now upset with has nothing to do with C-VID AID sections of the large overall omnibus spending bill. Everyone wanted a clean bill separatly passed but that was a non starter due to certain people wanting pet projects included that are jammed every year into the 12 parts of the spending bill. I say pull out M and N as originally planned and up it to 2K a person per month till this thing is over. Unless you were upset with the spending bills passed every single year shut up about what's in it now cause the stuff hasn't changed at all....funny it is now an issue and not last year or the year before.
The C-VID AID bill does not have the crap some say it does. its the other parts that amount to the pork some people claim to hate.
12-23-2020, 07:19 PM
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om·ni·bus
/ˈämnəˌbəs/
noun
noun: omnibus; plural noun: omnibuses
1.
a volume containing several novels or other items previously published separately.
"an omnibus of her first trilogy"
So you are upset with section K of the 133 package. That I agree with totally. Im upset we are spending so much on sections C, F and J. DoD spending is totally out of hand,. not to mention section Homeland security spending in F. Guess what though, those are totally separate from section M and N which is Cornovirus response. Section M is actually a supplemental part of the bill. I say pull it out and pass it separately, something someone in the Senate already said they would not do, and duke it out on the other sections while the government is shutdown. I mean what's the big deal right? No funding for the government just means they can not support anything and even with M and N pulled out and passed separately there would be no way to get the funding to the people and departments to fight the virus anyway as everything else is shutdown. But what do I know....
600 is appalling but EVERYTHING the right wing media is now upset with has nothing to do with C-VID AID sections of the large overall omnibus spending bill. Everyone wanted a clean bill separatly passed but that was a non starter due to certain people wanting pet projects included that are jammed every year into the 12 parts of the spending bill. I say pull out M and N as originally planned and up it to 2K a person per month till this thing is over. Unless you were upset with the spending bills passed every single year shut up about what's in it now cause the stuff hasn't changed at all....funny it is now an issue and not last year or the year before.
The C-VID AID bill does not have the crap some say it does. its the other parts that amount to the pork some people claim to hate.
/ˈämnəˌbəs/
noun
noun: omnibus; plural noun: omnibuses
1.
a volume containing several novels or other items previously published separately.
"an omnibus of her first trilogy"
So you are upset with section K of the 133 package. That I agree with totally. Im upset we are spending so much on sections C, F and J. DoD spending is totally out of hand,. not to mention section Homeland security spending in F. Guess what though, those are totally separate from section M and N which is Cornovirus response. Section M is actually a supplemental part of the bill. I say pull it out and pass it separately, something someone in the Senate already said they would not do, and duke it out on the other sections while the government is shutdown. I mean what's the big deal right? No funding for the government just means they can not support anything and even with M and N pulled out and passed separately there would be no way to get the funding to the people and departments to fight the virus anyway as everything else is shutdown. But what do I know....
600 is appalling but EVERYTHING the right wing media is now upset with has nothing to do with C-VID AID sections of the large overall omnibus spending bill. Everyone wanted a clean bill separatly passed but that was a non starter due to certain people wanting pet projects included that are jammed every year into the 12 parts of the spending bill. I say pull out M and N as originally planned and up it to 2K a person per month till this thing is over. Unless you were upset with the spending bills passed every single year shut up about what's in it now cause the stuff hasn't changed at all....funny it is now an issue and not last year or the year before.
The C-VID AID bill does not have the crap some say it does. its the other parts that amount to the pork some people claim to hate.
These are just some of the reasons that this bill was so bad and the fact that they even tried to push all these special projects through by attaching the words Covid relief to it makes me sick and want to fire everyone of those that had any hand in pushing it through whether Republican or Democrat.
12-24-2020, 07:38 AM
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You do understand that there was no reason to put Covid Relief in an OMNIBUS bill right? The only reason they did is because without the Covid relief being part of it the main part was DOA due to how many pork projects there were in it. It also worked out well so the MSM can tell everyone what a Grinch that mean old President Trump is for not allowing 10 million in gender programs for Pakistan or a quarter BILLION for Palestinian economic aid or 15 BILLION for entertainment venues or adding a new law saying that violating copyright laws with unauthorized online streaming will become a felony punishable by five years in prison for first offenses and 10 years for repeat offensives. This means that in California you can knowing infect someone with AIDS and it is only a misdemeanor yet if you watch a pirated version of some porn infecting someone with AIDS it is a felony with up to five years in prison.
These are just some of the reasons that this bill was so bad and the fact that they even tried to push all these special projects through by attaching the words Covid relief to it makes me sick and want to fire everyone of those that had any hand in pushing it through whether Republican or Democrat.
These are just some of the reasons that this bill was so bad and the fact that they even tried to push all these special projects through by attaching the words Covid relief to it makes me sick and want to fire everyone of those that had any hand in pushing it through whether Republican or Democrat.
Every one of your statements is incorrect if you are attributing it to the COVID bill. That is all part of the 12 part government spending bill. BTW I agree we should cut some of the aid, why are we giving money to Israel? To Egypt? To Turkey? Why did the movie industry get a carve out? I agree totally....but that is NOT part of the COVID bill.
12-24-2020, 03:24 PM
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This is the way the sausage gets made and has always gotten made. All you fools who refuse to condone any compromise whatsoever are no better than my kids arguing over who gets to ride shotgun.
Grow the $&@/ up.
Grow the $&@/ up.
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