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Old 12-22-2020, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
There’s only a small part that goes to Americans and American business. I’d rather be furloughed than pay for that disgrace.

Whether he signs it or not, the dems will push multi-trillions in wasteful spending next year that will do nothing to benefit Americans.
​​​​​​You're simply wrong, you're blindly quoting propaganda. I don't know what is your source of information, but you're spreading misinformation. Do your homework next time and don't trust blindly the media only because it reinforces your opinions.
Here is what is in the relief bill:
$166 billion for stimulus checks
$325 b. in aid to small businesses (includes PPE)
$120 b. For unemployment assistance ($300/week for 11 weeks)
$82 b. for education (e.g. K-12 education grants)
$56 b. for health care (e.g. funding for testing)
$46 b. for transportation (includes PSP for airlines)
$83 b. For other spending (e.g. rental assistance, nutrition programs)
$40 b. for other tax cuts (e.g. employee retention tax credit, etc)

All the other stuff that right wing misinformation campaign tries to sell people is straight nonsense or part of other spending bills that were voted on separately (the budget and military bills). I'm not gonna write more details here, but it's not that hard to find credible information on that subject.
Btw, if you would really rather be furloughed than pay for that disgrace, I'm sure you can get a voluntary furlough or just quit. Nobody is gonna miss you.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by barabek
​​​​​​You're simply wrong, you're blindly quoting propaganda. I don't know what is your source of information, but you're spreading misinformation. Do your homework next time and don't trust blindly the media only because it reinforces your opinions.
Here is what is in the relief bill:
$166 billion for stimulus checks
$325 b. in aid to small businesses (includes PPE)
$120 b. For unemployment assistance ($300/week for 11 weeks)
$82 b. for education (e.g. K-12 education grants)
$56 b. for health care (e.g. funding for testing)
$46 b. for transportation (includes PSP for airlines)
$83 b. For other spending (e.g. rental assistance, nutrition programs)
$40 b. for other tax cuts (e.g. employee retention tax credit, etc)

All the other stuff that right wing misinformation campaign tries to sell people is straight nonsense or part of other spending bills that were voted on separately (the budget and military bills). I'm not gonna write more details here, but it's not that hard to find credible information on that subject.
Btw, if you would really rather be furloughed than pay for that disgrace, I'm sure you can get a voluntary furlough or just quit. Nobody is gonna miss you.
Now that is some real delusion right there. Even your buddies at the NY slimes have admitted this is mostly pork and not COVID relief.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:42 PM
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Now that is some real delusion right there. Even your buddies at the NY slimes have admitted this is mostly pork and not COVID relief.
Buddies at NYT? Seriously? Is there pork in this bill? Of course. There's always gonna be pork when the 2 party system tries to reach a compromise. The system is set up that way unfortunately. E.g., the bill creates an independent commission to oversee the horse racing (Mitche's priority), or sets up a program aimed to eradicate the murder hornets (Nancy's idea, I guess). There are other small and silly programs attached into the bill, but saying that majority of the funds is going to foreign countries, not to Americans is simply false and misleading. Trump buys into the sentiment of distrust and conspiracy theories, that's why he wants to veto the bill, against the will of the majority on both sides.
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Old 12-22-2020, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by barabek
but saying that majority of the funds is going to foreign countries, not to Americans is simply false and misleading.
It is not false, and verifiably true. Have you read the 5500+ page document? I have read a fraction of it and can tell you are wrong.
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Old 12-22-2020, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ToddChavez
It is not false, and verifiably true. Have you read the 5500+ page document? I have read a fraction of it and can tell you are wrong.
Good then, enlighten us. Details please. Which countries? How much? What for?
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Old 12-23-2020, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by barabek
Buddies at NYT? Seriously? Is there pork in this bill? Of course. There's always gonna be pork when the 2 party system tries to reach a compromise. The system is set up that way unfortunately. E.g., the bill creates an independent commission to oversee the horse racing (Mitche's priority), or sets up a program aimed to eradicate the murder hornets (Nancy's idea, I guess). There are other small and silly programs attached into the bill, but saying that majority of the funds is going to foreign countries, not to Americans is simply false and misleading. Trump buys into the sentiment of distrust and conspiracy theories, that's why he wants to veto the bill, against the will of the majority on both sides.

COVID relief and the omnibus spending bill (which contains the foreign aid and pork) that funds the government til next fall were voted on as two separate bundles of bills in the house.

They were then sent to the senate which voted on the entire 2T+ bill as a single bill.
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Old 12-23-2020, 04:02 AM
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Any money going to other than Covid relief in a “Covid Relief Bill” is inappropriate. Especially money for the furthering of social issues in other countries.

The level of debt is a national crisis and will devastate our economy if it’s not dealt with responsibly.
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Old 12-23-2020, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ToddChavez
It is not false, and verifiably true. Have you read the 5500+ page document? I have read a fraction of it and can tell you are wrong.
Please point out the page numbers for verification to substantiate your claims.

Thanking you in advance.
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Old 12-23-2020, 06:31 AM
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This bill has another interesting rider, standards for aviation maintenance will be turned over to private industry. Looks like the FAA will become nothing more than registrar and enforcer of private interests as far as maintenance is concerned.
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Old 12-23-2020, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by barabek
Good then, enlighten us. Details please. Which countries? How much? What for?
So you schooled Grumpy for not educating himself on the bill and now you are asking others to educate you on the very same bill you claimed to know. There is tens of millions in there for foreign countries. Take some of your own advice and do your own research while you eat your crow.
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