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12-20-2020, 12:11 PM
#31
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Yes. Smile. Duh.
For those of us who haven’t received the memo, we don’t really live in a “democracy” or a “democratic republic “. We live in a corporatocracy. Laws are made primarily by and for the sake of corporations. Citizens United anyone?
Perhaps for a brief, glittering moment sometime during the 80’s and maybe into the early 00’s, SWA sort of bucked that paradigm and rebelled against the system. Maybe. But, whenever it ended, that moment ended. It’s over. We’re just another corporation playing our part in the corporatocracy. And we have been for at least 10–15 years.
For those of us who haven’t received the memo, we don’t really live in a “democracy” or a “democratic republic “. We live in a corporatocracy. Laws are made primarily by and for the sake of corporations. Citizens United anyone?
Perhaps for a brief, glittering moment sometime during the 80’s and maybe into the early 00’s, SWA sort of bucked that paradigm and rebelled against the system. Maybe. But, whenever it ended, that moment ended. It’s over. We’re just another corporation playing our part in the corporatocracy. And we have been for at least 10–15 years.
SWA has matured into a very well run, major airline which will forevermore have real major airline problems, just like everyone else. They should avoid a furlough this time, but someday, the right mix of circumstances will present themselves and they may.
Maybe in 2080 the few pilots of Breeze airways will be talking about how their company has lost it's way because it is going to furlough.
Good luck to us all!
12-21-2020, 10:25 AM
#32
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UAL and DAL did not furlough because their pilots gave concessions. After that, the cost and disruptions for training due exceeded whatever savings the companies would make on payroll with a furlough. Both companies "won" by putting the costs on to the pilots--and the company can ramp up if travel recovers.
12-21-2020, 03:25 PM
#33
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01-30-2021, 05:33 PM
#35
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ExTO RAM JOB
this is a very valid point IF the company actually wanted to reduce costs and not get concessions. I think it's pretty clear nothing the pilots do will prevent the threat of furloughs. The company is hell bent on using the threat to try and get some concessions and when the bailout out comes, or govenrners open up their states and the flying returns the company will try and push it all aside and say we didnt really want to furlough and we are so glad we didnt have to. Even though they never had to all along.
if the company truly was wanting to cut costs then they would entertain the ideas the union has presented. I think Jon's emails have been pretty clear where the company's priorities are.
I wish we as a group would stop trying to solve the company's made up problems. The only way they stop threatening is if they get what they want and everyone agrees that is not going to happen. I can appreciate the effort from the group, I'm on ExTO and was hoping that would do the trick but unfortunately we are being played and we should act accordingly from now on out.
if the company truly was wanting to cut costs then they would entertain the ideas the union has presented. I think Jon's emails have been pretty clear where the company's priorities are.
I wish we as a group would stop trying to solve the company's made up problems. The only way they stop threatening is if they get what they want and everyone agrees that is not going to happen. I can appreciate the effort from the group, I'm on ExTO and was hoping that would do the trick but unfortunately we are being played and we should act accordingly from now on out.
01-30-2021, 05:39 PM
#36
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Truth
Yes. Smile. Duh.
For those of us who haven’t received the memo, we don’t really live in a “democracy” or a “democratic republic “. We live in a corporatocracy. Laws are made primarily by and for the sake of corporations. Citizens United anyone?
Perhaps for a brief, glittering moment sometime during the 80’s and maybe into the early 00’s, SWA sort of bucked that paradigm and rebelled against the system. Maybe. But, whenever it ended, that moment ended. It’s over. We’re just another corporation playing our part in the corporatocracy. And we have been for at least 10–15 years.
For those of us who haven’t received the memo, we don’t really live in a “democracy” or a “democratic republic “. We live in a corporatocracy. Laws are made primarily by and for the sake of corporations. Citizens United anyone?
Perhaps for a brief, glittering moment sometime during the 80’s and maybe into the early 00’s, SWA sort of bucked that paradigm and rebelled against the system. Maybe. But, whenever it ended, that moment ended. It’s over. We’re just another corporation playing our part in the corporatocracy. And we have been for at least 10–15 years.
We do still get to vote, but if it isn't turning out in the way the Corporations want, they'll just stop voting in the middle of the night and ship in more ballots until they get the results they want.
01-31-2021, 04:35 PM
#37
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ExTO turned out to be a big ram job up our you know where, because virtually everyone else stayed home most of the time if they played their cards right, and received 100% of the min, not 55%, and could stay a little tad bit connected / current. It's one of the worse moves I ever made.
02-01-2021, 02:19 AM
#39
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ExTO turned out to be a big ram job up our you know where, because virtually everyone else stayed home most of the time if they played their cards right, and received 100% of the min, not 55%, and could stay a little tad bit connected / current. It's one of the worse moves I ever made.
Come September 2021, a ten year guy on the regular plan will have been compensated $128,000 for his year of EXTO, not including 401k or sick bank (many thousands more) with free healthcare (several thousand more).
To not come to work. To not have to lay eyes or ears on a flight attendant, a TSA smurf, a flag tie, or smell vomit or feces or air freshener wafting out of the lav or your seat cushion, to not have to watch and feel your captain treat every braking event like an RTO in Key West, to not have to hear the phrase “it’s just allergies” or “good jet”, to not have to smell wet socks and wonder if you’re being poisoned, no simulators, no VPTs, no farts, no body odors, no airport food, man the list goes on literally forever.
Yet you’ve been screwed? Cool.
02-01-2021, 06:03 AM
#40
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Oh, so it was the corporations who stole the vote? And I thought it was the baby-blood-drinking liberal elites, silly me! Don't worry, the Q is gonna save us all. Apparently, the dear leader is gonna be sworn in again as the 19th president in March. Trust the plan, it all makes sense now...
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