80emb145

The company isn’t giving credit for ETO’s. Remember, they see it as a favor to you to
have the month off with partial pay rather than saving the company money.

nene

Welcome to the reality of corporate America and being part of a large public corporation vice a smaller, leaner upstart. I’m cynical enough to believe that UAL and DAL did not avoid furloughs so far because of some “caring” about pilots but more so a hedge in case the demand does come roaring back that they will have a more immediate ready workforce able to respond quickly. So far that hedge has added costs to the bottom line but if demand does return in force they will be as ready as possible.

at6d

The above is why our WARN notices are for April and not the nearer 60-day date. They are betting on PSP.

Lewbronski

Yes. Smile. Duh.

For those of us who haven’t received the memo, we don’t really live in a “democracy” or a “democratic republic “. We live in a corporatocracy. Laws are made primarily by and for the sake of corporations. Citizens United anyone?

Perhaps for a brief, glittering moment sometime during the 80’s and maybe into the early 00’s, SWA sort of bucked that paradigm and rebelled against the system. Maybe. But, whenever it ended, that moment ended. It’s over. We’re just another corporation playing our part in the corporatocracy. And we have been for at least 10–15 years.

Zard

Are you saying even with PSP, you think they'll still threaten to furlough once it runs out, or am I misunderstanding the crux of your statement?

hoover

so far the company won't give a statement regarding that question.
it has never been about anything other than contract concessions. Its flat out disgusting.

9mikemike

I think what you meant to dispute is whether or not we are still a Constitutional Republic. Thank God we have never been either of the other two...

at6d

As Hoover states above, company isn’t talking (at least outside of whatever NDA the union has with the company).

I think they are trying to be “ahead of the game” in the event PSP fails, but I wouldn’t guess the company won’t try for concessions for the eventuality when that money runs out. It’s still too early to tell what the crystal ball says about the vaccine response and travel demand. The company seems to be stuck on a 10% number, but I think they are using tactics to bring it out publicly that the furlough threat is real in order to pressure congress to act on PSP. That said, I’m just a pilot not an analyst, but I’ve been in and around the 121 game since January of 2000 so I know enough to second guess the motives. I hope to be wrong and I wish the culture kool-aid was real...but it’s not Herb’s airline anymore. The smoke they are laying down is thick and right now nobody can see clearly on either side other than posturing and back-and-forth email statements.

Jeff Lebowski

We live in an oligarchy. Most people have not awoken to this fact yet but one day they will.

Our system creates great wealth, but great wealth is and always has been inimical to great freedom. It concentrates power in the hands of the very few at the expense of the many.

The pendulum is constantly swinging. The last time it swung this far off-center was in the late-1920s. Then the banks failed and people realized just how bad things had gotten and they demanded that the pie be divided more evenly and it was. It was a revolution in the truest sense.

The banks will fail again. All of the Depression-Era reforms (Glass-Steagall) which prevented them from doing were done away with under Clinton. All of the ingredients of the 2008 financial collapse are still in place and now there are only five major Wall Street banking houses which means all of that risk has been consolidated. Throw in the fact that everyone's retirement is now sitting in the stock market and you have all the ingredients for a truly seismic collapse.

People slam the far left wing of the Democratic Party just as they slam the far right wing of the GOP but the thing that gets me is just how similar the two sides are. They're both talking about the same things--the empowerment of disenfranchised Americans--but they're coming at it from two different directions and they're divided over issues of race and identity.

When things get bad enough, both sides will come to see that they had a lot more in common than they ever knew. When that moment occurs, watch out.

nene

It's how to help the masses that separates them:

The main philosophical difference is one side believes in free agency, personal responsibility, charity, efficiency, and hard work.

One side seems to think that GOVT (specifically FEDERAL GOVT) can somehow fix everything from Washington DC, you just need the right policy, regulation, govt intervention into your life.