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10-08-2020, 06:57 AM
#81
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You've made some giant assumptive leaps with your weak-sauce post, but you’ve failed to make the only leap that matters, even though multiple people have laid it out. Concessions won’t prevent furloughs. Period. You’re gonna give as much as you can to the loan shark, but he’s still gonna come smash your kneecaps.
The idea that we would concede, then a month later GK would (with a sinister laugh) furlough anyway Is being paranoid.
The industry as a whole may be like that, but not SWA. If Gary makes a public promise, he will keep it.
10-08-2020, 07:28 AM
#82
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an FA told me the reason for not selling alcohol is fewer interactions with the pax. That way they dont come to your seat ask you what you want then go get it and come back. I know there are ways around this like start using the carts etc but so far that was the best explanation.
Outsider here.
That's just a flight attendant being lazy. There are zero reasons for a blocked middle seat and zero reasons for them not to provide service.
To subsidize the company while leaving money and passengers behind is just plain foolish.
10-08-2020, 07:48 AM
#83
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an FA told me the reason for not selling alcohol is fewer interactions with the pax. That way they dont come to your seat ask you what you want then go get it and come back. I know there are ways around this like start using the carts etc but so far that was the best explanation.
This happened before the masks were made mandatory. Lots has changed since then.
Zero reason to not sell booze today; zero reason for losing that revenue.
Not even entertaining concessions.
10-08-2020, 07:51 AM
#84
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When beverage service was first completely suspended and when the modified water-only service started, the company explained it to the flight attendants as JUST THAT - to limit the amount of contact with customers.
Whether you or I or anyone else accept that explanation, it is the company's explanation so it's pretty rude of you, as an outsider, to call one of our flight attendants lazy for quoting it.
I don't even think the company is stocking alcohol on the aircraft right now.
Furthermore, I don't think any of the other U.S. major carriers are serving alcohol in coach right now for the same reason. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that point.
10-08-2020, 07:56 AM
#86
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That flight attendant is saying exactly what the company has told him or her.
When beverage service was first completely suspended and when the modified water-only service started, the company explained it to the flight attendants as JUST THAT - to limit the amount of contact with customers.
Whether you or I or anyone else accept that explanation, it is the company's explanation so it's pretty rude of you, as an outsider, to call one of our flight attendants lazy for quoting it.
I don't even think the company is stocking alcohol on the aircraft right now.
Furthermore, I don't think any of the other U.S. major carriers are serving alcohol in coach right now for the same reason. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that point.
When beverage service was first completely suspended and when the modified water-only service started, the company explained it to the flight attendants as JUST THAT - to limit the amount of contact with customers.
Whether you or I or anyone else accept that explanation, it is the company's explanation so it's pretty rude of you, as an outsider, to call one of our flight attendants lazy for quoting it.
I don't even think the company is stocking alcohol on the aircraft right now.
Furthermore, I don't think any of the other U.S. major carriers are serving alcohol in coach right now for the same reason. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that point.
10-08-2020, 08:09 AM
#87
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I wonder what the break even is on selling alcohol on flights wrt the cost in fuel to haul the weight?
maybe at covid levels there wouldnt be enough sales to cover the costs of buying, distributing, hauling etc. IDK
maybe at covid levels there wouldnt be enough sales to cover the costs of buying, distributing, hauling etc. IDK
10-08-2020, 10:30 AM
#88
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Yes, exactly. Or how about GK’a 15% ROIC promise? Not trusting GK is not “paranoid”, it’s realistic. Trusting GK has proven to be foolish.
Far more maddening to me than the middle seat and alcohol issue is the $9.9 billion in stock buybacks and dividends since 2014. If the company wants to play the Wall St game and if they want to tie executive compensation to stock performance, that’s their call but DO NOT come to us seeking concessions when they blew that amount of cash. If I couldn’t pay me mortgage because I failed to save for a rainy day and instead frittered it away day trading or handing it out to my rich friends no one would bail me out even if my kids and I had to move into low income housing.
And again, concessions don’t prevent furloughs. Wasn’t one of the selling points of ExTO/VSP (a form of concession) that if enough people pulled the trigger furloughs would be able to be prevented? And now they want more concessions or they’re going to furlough? What’s next if we agree to this round of concessions?
We’ve already helped this company out enough for the foolhardy choice they made to hire 2,000 more pilots than we need to operate the airline. My 2019 W2 pay was 10% lower than 2018 despite receiving our negotiated yearly pay raise.
No more concessions.
Far more maddening to me than the middle seat and alcohol issue is the $9.9 billion in stock buybacks and dividends since 2014. If the company wants to play the Wall St game and if they want to tie executive compensation to stock performance, that’s their call but DO NOT come to us seeking concessions when they blew that amount of cash. If I couldn’t pay me mortgage because I failed to save for a rainy day and instead frittered it away day trading or handing it out to my rich friends no one would bail me out even if my kids and I had to move into low income housing.
And again, concessions don’t prevent furloughs. Wasn’t one of the selling points of ExTO/VSP (a form of concession) that if enough people pulled the trigger furloughs would be able to be prevented? And now they want more concessions or they’re going to furlough? What’s next if we agree to this round of concessions?
We’ve already helped this company out enough for the foolhardy choice they made to hire 2,000 more pilots than we need to operate the airline. My 2019 W2 pay was 10% lower than 2018 despite receiving our negotiated yearly pay raise.
No more concessions.
10-08-2020, 11:42 AM
#89
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Concessions? Not even interesting in discussing them because we no longer sell alcohol on flights, and the middle seats are still blocked off. In other words, it's not my job to subsidize maskholes who wear them into the shower. And alcohol? ZERO reason for that. I could understand that early on in the pandemic where we literally flew 10 passengers on a flight for weeks on end, but today with many flights being COVID-full? Booze always sells and we aren't even addressing it.
10-08-2020, 11:46 AM
#90
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