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10-07-2020, 05:42 PM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: Supreme Allied Commander
Posts: 1,074
Amen. I am not for rolling over, but I am for smart, out of the box thinking that is going to enrich both sides in the end. It's give and take, and we have given plenty already in the form of a conscious decision to overman the pilot group by middle management.
I do not want to see anyone on the street and I do not want to see us giving the company a deal where we are exploited for an outsized chunk of the pie. They already started shrinking our piece a couple of years ago and took the cherry and the whipped cream when they continued hiring into 2020 with no max.
I recognize that it takes a village to run a low cost airline, but our house has already made a pretty big offering. If we are forced to give more, I want to see how, in the end, I am going to be enriched by my sacrifice.
I do not want to see anyone on the street and I do not want to see us giving the company a deal where we are exploited for an outsized chunk of the pie. They already started shrinking our piece a couple of years ago and took the cherry and the whipped cream when they continued hiring into 2020 with no max.
I recognize that it takes a village to run a low cost airline, but our house has already made a pretty big offering. If we are forced to give more, I want to see how, in the end, I am going to be enriched by my sacrifice.
10-07-2020, 05:57 PM
#72
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 30
Hardliners are toxic, but usually a small minority. They typically don’t actually suffer from the consequences of the decisions that they advocate for others.
When they say they’ll see you in the soup kitchen, the probably have a side gig, military fallback so money isn’t a problem. And they’ve probably actually never been to a soup kitchen. (I.e severe lack of reality about the world around them)
There isn’t anything romantic or heroic or tough about advocating for your own job loss.
When they say they’ll see you in the soup kitchen, the probably have a side gig, military fallback so money isn’t a problem. And they’ve probably actually never been to a soup kitchen. (I.e severe lack of reality about the world around them)
There isn’t anything romantic or heroic or tough about advocating for your own job loss.
10-08-2020, 04:20 AM
#73
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,776
Concessions? Not even interesting in discussing them because we no longer sell alcohol on flights, and the middle seats are still blocked off. In other words, it's not my job to subsidize maskholes who wear them into the shower. And alcohol? ZERO reason for that. I could understand that early on in the pandemic where we literally flew 10 passengers on a flight for weeks on end, but today with many flights being COVID-full? Booze always sells and we aren't even addressing it.
10-08-2020, 04:47 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 416
Hardliners are toxic, but usually a small minority. They typically don’t actually suffer from the consequences of the decisions that they advocate for others.
When they say they’ll see you in the soup kitchen, the probably have a side gig, military fallback so money isn’t a problem. And they’ve probably actually never been to a soup kitchen. (I.e severe lack of reality about the world around them)
There isn’t anything romantic or heroic or tough about advocating for your own job loss.
When they say they’ll see you in the soup kitchen, the probably have a side gig, military fallback so money isn’t a problem. And they’ve probably actually never been to a soup kitchen. (I.e severe lack of reality about the world around them)
There isn’t anything romantic or heroic or tough about advocating for your own job loss.
10-08-2020, 04:55 AM
#75
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,653
Over at Delta the hardliners have tried to convince the masses that voluntary paid leaves are concessions, because the rest of the pilots might have more reserve usage or can't get holidays off. All the while telling pilots its better to furlough than allow paid- leaves. Beware of the hardliners whose only motive is their status quo.
10-08-2020, 05:13 AM
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
I’m in the furlough zone and I’m a firm no on pay rate changes. Year 1-5 here is substantially lower than any of the
big three. I knew that coming here, but it was a fair trade with quality of life from elitt and job security, now through no fault of the company this Pandemic has killed those two benefits so pay is all we have and it’s low. Yes it’s 70% captain pay but unless upgrade drops to lower than 5 years that scale is bs.
only way I consider voting yes if is there’s a firm date for snap back say July 1st 2021 with no exceptions. GK has stated we can’t cut routes cOs it will hurt revenue therefor I can’t see how less pilots afford a expanding route structure.
big three. I knew that coming here, but it was a fair trade with quality of life from elitt and job security, now through no fault of the company this Pandemic has killed those two benefits so pay is all we have and it’s low. Yes it’s 70% captain pay but unless upgrade drops to lower than 5 years that scale is bs.
only way I consider voting yes if is there’s a firm date for snap back say July 1st 2021 with no exceptions. GK has stated we can’t cut routes cOs it will hurt revenue therefor I can’t see how less pilots afford a expanding route structure.
10-08-2020, 05:19 AM
#77
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,653
I’m in the furlough zone and I’m a firm no on pay rate changes. Year 1-5 here is substantially lower than any of the
big three. I knew that coming here, but it was a fair trade with quality of life from elitt and job security, now through no fault of the company this Pandemic has killed those two benefits so pay is all we have and it’s low. Yes it’s 70% captain pay but unless upgrade drops to lower than 5 years that scale is bs.
only way I consider voting yes if is there’s a firm date for snap back say July 1st 2021 with no exceptions. GK has stated we can’t cut routes cOs it will hurt revenue therefor I can’t see how less pilots afford a expanding route structure.
big three. I knew that coming here, but it was a fair trade with quality of life from elitt and job security, now through no fault of the company this Pandemic has killed those two benefits so pay is all we have and it’s low. Yes it’s 70% captain pay but unless upgrade drops to lower than 5 years that scale is bs.
only way I consider voting yes if is there’s a firm date for snap back say July 1st 2021 with no exceptions. GK has stated we can’t cut routes cOs it will hurt revenue therefor I can’t see how less pilots afford a expanding route structure.
10-08-2020, 05:30 AM
#78
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,776
If I want to GIVE money to a work-related charity, it'll go to SWAPA Pilot Relief Fund, Gary can only BORROW money from me. See the difference?
10-08-2020, 05:38 AM
#79
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
the reason I think they want pay cuts is that the exto is based on hours but there’s a caveats that the rate for said hours might chance. I doubt they could get away with changing the pay rate for people on exto and not anyone else. I also think tho if they try cut guarantee that it would have to have a equal cut on exto otherwise exto would be a much better deal. Whatever they do it will affect the validity of exto
10-08-2020, 05:48 AM
#80
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,798
Concessions? Not even interesting in discussing them because we no longer sell alcohol on flights, and the middle seats are still blocked off. In other words, it's not my job to subsidize maskholes who wear them into the shower. And alcohol? ZERO reason for that. I could understand that early on in the pandemic where we literally flew 10 passengers on a flight for weeks on end, but today with many flights being COVID-full? Booze always sells and we aren't even addressing it.
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