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10-06-2020, 08:32 AM
#41
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
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Executives get a 20% pay cut. Non contract get a 10% cut with a guarantee of no layoffs.
itll be interesting to see what they ask for with the union group. Better be something along the lines everyone else is getting. To say If we dont get it we will furlough seems like its more than a 10% cut.
I thought John and Casey laid it out pretty well. We've already had several pay cuts, we've been showing the company for years how to save money through efficiencies and have 140 grievances. All those combined with the years of dragging out contract for all union groups should more than make up for what they want now.
I look forward to reading what they want and writing my reps on my position. At least we can hold off on what we're willing to give up and finally hear what they're asking for. More than likely I'm a no vote on any concessions unless we agree to give back parking and uniform allowances.
itll be interesting to see what they ask for with the union group. Better be something along the lines everyone else is getting. To say If we dont get it we will furlough seems like its more than a 10% cut.
I thought John and Casey laid it out pretty well. We've already had several pay cuts, we've been showing the company for years how to save money through efficiencies and have 140 grievances. All those combined with the years of dragging out contract for all union groups should more than make up for what they want now.
I look forward to reading what they want and writing my reps on my position. At least we can hold off on what we're willing to give up and finally hear what they're asking for. More than likely I'm a no vote on any concessions unless we agree to give back parking and uniform allowances.
10-06-2020, 08:47 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,264
No consessions. We already gave. What's the average line value? What was it last year? Two years ago? Three? Consessions won't keep a furlough from happening. Only traffic will. GK says he doesn't have time for long negotiations? He sure did when it was our contract. Pull up your big girl panties and don't fall for this. He's double posturing - against Congress... and the weak sisters.
Airline history demonstrates that concessions don’t preclude furloughs.
Even if we were willing to craft an agreement prohibiting furloughs in exchange for pay cuts, it has taken this pilot group decades to achieve the pay rates we have achieved. It will take years to get them back and will effect our future negotiating ability because we will have displayed to the company our soft underbelly. It will also undercut our own position if, God forbid, we end up going into a Ch 11 reorganization proceeding.
No one asked SWAPA if it was wise to ratchet up the pilot to aircraft ratio from the 10.5 it had been fixed at for almost our entire history until shortly after our 2016 contract was approved, when it began to sharply increase to its pre-covid level of close to 14. No asked the pilot group how we felt about hiring 2,000 excess pilots that would end up resulting in a decrease in average line value and at least a 10% effective pay cut already. Now management wants us to take additional pay cuts to redress their missteps.
No one asked the pilot group how we felt about spending $9.9 billion dollars since 2014 on share repurchases and dividends. That money went entirely to enrich Wall St and our own corporate executives via their stock incentives. It didn’t go to upgrade our operational capabilities, our customer service experience, or pay our cohearts better. No one asked us, they just did it. It sure would be nice to have an additional $9.9 billion right now. That was their decision. Now they want us to cough up our very hard-won gains to compensate for their mismanagement.
No concessions.
10-06-2020, 09:20 AM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,042
No concessions.
Airline history demonstrates that concessions don’t preclude furloughs.
Even if we were willing to craft an agreement prohibiting furloughs in exchange for pay cuts, it has taken this pilot group decades to achieve the pay rates we have achieved. It will take years to get them back and will effect our future negotiating ability because we will have displayed to the company our soft underbelly. It will also undercut our own position if, God forbid, we end up going into a Ch 11 reorganization proceeding.
No one asked SWAPA if it was wise to ratchet up the pilot to aircraft ratio from the 10.5 it had been fixed at for almost our entire history until shortly after our 2016 contract was approved, when it began to sharply increase to its pre-covid level of close to 14. No asked the pilot group how we felt about hiring 2,000 excess pilots that would end up resulting in a decrease in average line value and at least a 10% effective pay cut already. Now management wants us to take additional pay cuts to redress their missteps.
No one asked the pilot group how we felt about spending $9.9 billion dollars since 2014 on share repurchases and dividends. That money went entirely to enrich Wall St and our own corporate executives via their stock incentives. It didn’t go to upgrade our operational capabilities, our customer service experience, or pay our cohearts better. No one asked us, they just did it. It sure would be nice to have an additional $9.9 billion right now. That was their decision. Now they want us to cough up our very hard-won gains to compensate for their mismanagement.
No concessions.
Airline history demonstrates that concessions don’t preclude furloughs.
Even if we were willing to craft an agreement prohibiting furloughs in exchange for pay cuts, it has taken this pilot group decades to achieve the pay rates we have achieved. It will take years to get them back and will effect our future negotiating ability because we will have displayed to the company our soft underbelly. It will also undercut our own position if, God forbid, we end up going into a Ch 11 reorganization proceeding.
No one asked SWAPA if it was wise to ratchet up the pilot to aircraft ratio from the 10.5 it had been fixed at for almost our entire history until shortly after our 2016 contract was approved, when it began to sharply increase to its pre-covid level of close to 14. No asked the pilot group how we felt about hiring 2,000 excess pilots that would end up resulting in a decrease in average line value and at least a 10% effective pay cut already. Now management wants us to take additional pay cuts to redress their missteps.
No one asked the pilot group how we felt about spending $9.9 billion dollars since 2014 on share repurchases and dividends. That money went entirely to enrich Wall St and our own corporate executives via their stock incentives. It didn’t go to upgrade our operational capabilities, our customer service experience, or pay our cohearts better. No one asked us, they just did it. It sure would be nice to have an additional $9.9 billion right now. That was their decision. Now they want us to cough up our very hard-won gains to compensate for their mismanagement.
No concessions.
10-06-2020, 11:28 AM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 353
I think that permanent concessions are off the table, I can't imagine anyone voting for that. Reducing guarantee with a set snap back date is probably what they'll ask for. I personally don't like that idea at all. What will they ask for? 80? 75? 70? How is it fair compared to those on ExTO sitting at home for 55? In this case I wanna rebid for ExTO! The other option is a rate reduction or some kind of benefit reduction (401k contribution reduce from 15% to whatever they agree to). Obviously all with automatic snap back date. We'll see what they come up with, time will tell. Agree that allowing us to grow beards would be awesome. Wonder how many Santas would be walking around the airports in pilot uniforms. I know I would.
10-06-2020, 12:44 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 682
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