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Old 09-26-2020, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Thats what I do. Mostly because I’m too stupid to try and time the market or play the PCRA game. I just put it all in one of the age based index funds and leave it alone. Prob could do better if I let someone else manage it but I’ve got 26 yrs to go...
Actually facts show investing in an S&P mutual fund or ETF will beat a managed portfolio over time. #Warren

So I say you’re doing just fine 👍🏻

I use a PCRA at my airline only because I want a mega growth ETF and it’s not offered in our plan, so I use the PCRA to allocate a percentage to the mega growth etf.
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Old 09-27-2020, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Actually facts show investing in an S&P mutual fund or ETF will beat a managed portfolio over time.
True for most. The S&P 500 beats 95% of managed mutual funds and actively managed accounts.

My high net worth investment management company is in the top 2%. They beat the market averages by a few percent (after fees) rather consistently over several decades. They go up more when the market goes up. They go down less when the markets go down. Few are able to do that consistently.
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Old 09-27-2020, 03:06 PM
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Didn’t we just have it? I believe the market dropped quite a bit in the March-April. Fortunately though, money and greed don’t catch viruses and the market has almost returned to pre-Covid levels.
True ... however I think the one we have recovered from was just for ‘practice’. Will see.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
True for most. The S&P 500 beats 95% of managed mutual funds and actively managed accounts.

My high net worth investment management company is in the top 2%. They beat the market averages by a few percent (after fees) rather consistently over several decades. They go up more when the market goes up. They go down less when the markets go down. Few are able to do that consistently.
Do you mind sharing so we can all get in on it?
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:59 PM
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Do you mind sharing so we can all get in on it?
And that right there is why most good managed funds can't repeat their performance. Too many new customers flood them with assets to manage, forcing them to invest outside of their plan. Rinse and repeat.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:13 PM
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Just checked and by not touching a thing and keeping things in the age based index fund I’m at 5.5% for the YTD. Could be better. Could be worse. Check out the Sept 401k section of the RP....
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Old 09-30-2020, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
And that right there is why most good managed funds can't repeat their performance. Too many new customers flood them with assets to manage, forcing them to invest outside of their plan. Rinse and repeat.
Pretty sure the guy I know at Morgan Stanley who usually sets a floor around $3M in assets for new clients, wouldn't bat an eye getting a couple dozen new clients. He's got a DEEP well to tap and nobody here would move the needle. He's got a menu of choices for investors looking to move hundreds of millions around on a whim. Fund selection is important and a good management firm takes care of that for you. Or steals your money... Buyer beware.
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Old 09-30-2020, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Just checked and by not touching a thing and keeping things in the age based index fund I’m at 5.5% for the YTD. Could be better. Could be worse. Check out the Sept 401k section of the RP....
My IRA is at 20%ish for the year and my best fund in that IRA is at 24.5%. It's from good fund selection after a bunch of research and I didn't sell or trade except to buy a bit more when things tanked. My more diversified 401k that is handicapped by somewhat lower performing choices is around 10% for the year. I can't even get at the money for another decade so it's biased heavily towards stocks and will remain that way for some time, so buy and hold ought to work out fine for my situation.

See below. That's not chump change, and it's not even close to the "best" in category. It's just waaay better over time than the defaults a lot of people stick with.

Next year, who knows. But the funds I choose for my IRA have long track records of beating the S&P 500 index and I researched the fund managers just as much as I researched the fund return history. Some managers are great, some suck, and a fund that was awesome but just changed managers could be super risky. I think most people spend more time picking their fantasy football teams than their investments...
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