flyguy81

SWA’s profit sharing was the first among airlines (if I’m remembering my history right). Same with the 401k since everyone else was on a pension.

Not sure when Delta’s plan was set up. Smart on the pilots for getting retirement money on it though. Nobody else in the country gets that. We could certainly ask for it but I’m not sure legally if it’s even feasible with how our stuff is set up. Good ? for the retirement committee guys.

FleetSnarl

You may be right about SWA being first with profit sharing among airline pilot groups. I don't know. If so, that's nice.

But, as for today, and for our future, Delta has set the bar. That is important in terms of establishing leverage for pattern bargaining. That is important in terms of the "battle space" under the RLA.

We want every airline pilot group that ratifies a new contract to set a new high bar. That lifts the entire profession.

Delta operates under US corporate law. DALPA's negotiations are governed by the RLA. The same is true of SWA. Therfore, there should be no legal barrier from stopping us from obtaining the same sort of profit sharing arrangement as or better than Delta. It's simply a matter of paying the attorneys to file the appropriate paperwork. Sure, it might take some restructuring of our how our retirement accounts are currently set up but that doesn't make it a legal impossibility.

The only barrier I see that will stop us from obtaining something like what Delta has (or better) is our own pilot group's culture of settling for less and falling for the inevitable FUD and psy op's that have already begun for the 2020 cycle.

flyguy81

We couldn’t get our profit sharing as a cash payout like Delta because of how the program is set up with the IRS. So there’s legal aspects to it. I wouldn’t think it’d be a hard thing to accomplish but I’m not a tax attorney so....

FleetSnarl

Update: AA pilots also get their 16% B-Fund contribution on their profit sharing payout.

Source? The SWAPA 2019 Contract Comparison, page 26, in the "Profit Sharing/Performance Bonuses" table, under the column titled, "Eligible for NEC or Match". Both American and Delta are labeled with a "Yes". The remarks make it pretty clear that Delta's profit sharing is set up more favorably than American's profit sharing system. But AA pilots do get the contribution according to SWAPA.

Also, on page 27 of SWAPA's contract comparison, Delta's profit sharing has exceeded SWAPA's in every year depicted on the "Historical Profit Sharing Payout As A Percentage Of Pay" chart.

Peacock

What is 16% of the average AA profit sharing check? A nice dinner?

flyguy81

Prob. They haven’t received much, if anything. Definitely not on the scale of Delta or us. UAL is around 8% on avg according to a couple friends there.

FleetSnarl

Regardless, it helps establish the precedent for professional airline pilots at a major airline that a B-Fund contribution on profit sharing is industry standard. At SWA, we WANT each airline that goes before us to raise the bar for the profession. When it's our turn, we also want to raise the bar for the profession.

Management's role is to pick apart why something like AA's B-Fund contribution on profit sharing shouldn't be considered industry standard or, for some other reason, shouldn't be adopted as part of our 2020 CBA. We don't want to play the role of management any more than we already have guys doing that at SWA.

M094

Hello all,

A while back there was a link shared which allows one to look up schedules/lines at United (http://www.maxgumby.com/).

Is there something similar for Southwest? I'd like to be able to compare lines and/or trip constructions.

Thanks!

Grumpyaviator

We mostly do either am or pm schedules. Ams are 0330 wake up, fly till fatigued, min rest, fly till fatigued, min rest, fly till fatigued, min rest, four legs or long turn last day, miss commute flight home, sleep in crew room.

Not sure about pms.

loveislost7M8

PMs are also brutal. I'm on day 1 of 3 right now, just got rerouted leg 1 is a deadhead, then scheduled to operate 4 legs with 3 airplane swaps, currently running over 3 hours late and not suppose to land at the overnight until 5am Central time. At some point tonight I'm not going to be able to sign my name on the release being fit for duty.

Add this to the list of reasons Not to work for SWA: 1,221 Reasons Not to work for Southwest