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Old 07-24-2023, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
And don’t let them schedule your return to duty on the assumption you should be rested by a certain time. It can’t determine in advance when you’ll be fatigued in order to schedule wisely and likewise it can’t be determined in advance when you’ll be recovered.

I tell them I need sufficient rest and I’ll let them know when I’ve had it. Especially if they try to put you to rest outside your circadian rhythm.

I can’t be up to the wee hours and get a good day’s rest, I need a good night’s rest before I’m sufficiently recovered.
This 100%. Dont accept any recovery plan the moment you call in fatigued. Tell them you will get back with them after you are rested.
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Old 07-24-2023, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OverUnderDone
So what if you call fatigued on Day 3 of a 3 day trip?

Do they deadhead you back home or extend your trip?
They stop you right there and send you to the hotel, then schedule you to DH back to your domicile after your rest. You can ask them to DH you back to your commute city or just get released when you get your rest.
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Old 07-24-2023, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
My goal every trip is to not end up on the news, and getting proper rest is an important part of that!

^^^^^^ This cannot be overstated. Same goes for nutrition.

Literally before every push, each one of us signs the statement that we are fit and ready to go. Think about that.... you're assuming all liability for your fitness.

Don't be a hero. When you're not up to it, you're not up to it. Accept no unnecessary risk is what the book says. Follow the book.
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Old 07-24-2023, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rjsaviator76
^^^^^^ this cannot be overstated. Same goes for nutrition.

Literally before every push, each one of us signs the statement that we are fit and ready to go. Think about that.... You're assuming all liability for your fitness.

Don't be a hero. When you're not up to it, you're not up to it. Accept no unnecessary risk is what the book says. Follow the book.
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Old 07-25-2023, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
They stop you right there and send you to the hotel, then schedule you to DH back to your domicile after your rest. You can ask them to DH you back to your commute city or just get released when you get your rest.
Good to know. Thanks for the info!
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
They stop you right there and send you to the hotel, then schedule you to DH back to your domicile after your rest. You can ask them to DH you back to your commute city or just get released when you get your rest.
This isnt totally accurate. While this is one option, they can and have just put you on a DH back to base if you agree to it. I actually had a cs ask me if I would prefer to do that.
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Old 07-25-2023, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
This isnt totally accurate. While this is one option, they can and have just put you on a DH back to base if you agree to it. I actually had a cs ask me if I would prefer to do that.
It's on you to say yay or nay. They tend to ask all kinds of stuff because heroes do hero sh*t until heroes get burned and then get stabbed in the back.

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Old 07-25-2023, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
It's on you to say yay or nay. They tend to ask all kinds of stuff because heroes do hero sh*t until heroes get burned and then get stabbed in the back.

Don't be a hero.
Not sure why taking a DH home on your last day with a fatigue call is hero ****, but OK I guess. If you want to sit in the hotel instead of going home and getting actual rest that is up to each person.
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Old 07-25-2023, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Not sure why taking a DH home on your last day with a fatigue call is hero ****, but OK I guess. If you want to sit in the hotel instead of going home and getting actual rest that is up to each person.
Unlike a JSer, aren't you technically in a duty status when DH'ing? Considered a crew member?
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Old 07-25-2023, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BStill
Unlike a JSer, aren't you technically in a duty status when DH'ing? Considered a crew member?
They give you a must ride and pay it as a deadhead. Same if you call out sick on the road.

In my most recent fatigue call, all the flights were full so they just gave me a deadhead and released me and I jumpseated home.
In other news, a must ride doesn't guarantee you a seat. There have to be seats available. I am sure it's "industry leading" though.
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