Originally Posted by Privateer89

I think this entire contract dispute comes down to one thing and that is the company’s ability to work us pilots how they see fit to keep the operation functioning. I fully believe they will pay us whatever we ask, but they realize that their ability now to use and abuse can’t be valued. What other airline has this flexibility with its pilots?

1.) Consistent am wake ups at 2am or pm releases at 4/5am.

2.) The ability to JA a pilot for days past his original release date.

3.) The ability to turn your 1 leg 4 hour day into a 5 leg 14 hour day with 2 deadheads, 5 airplanes, 20 minute connections, and follow that with a 10 hour overnight.

4.) Have you fly a 5 hour leg at 5am after trying to fight through airport lines so you can get breakfast because they will not provide us with food like the legacies.

5.) Give you a 5 minute connection to a deadhead so that you can sit in a middle seat before you fly another few legs.

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Originally Posted by Rseat

This is the meat and potatoes of our QOL on the line right now.

I’ll add one more, the constant switching from PM to AM and vice versus. They’re causing undue stress, because most of us have good work ethic and want to get the job done. They’re banking on our guilt will pushing us through. My guilt will not save me if I make a mistake if I’m not properly rested or nourished.

Originally Posted by Rseat

This is the meat and potatoes of our QOL on the line right now.

I’ll add one more, the constant switching from PM to AM and vice versus. They’re causing undue stress, because most of us have good work ethic and want to get the job done. They’re banking on our guilt will pushing us through. My guilt will not save me if I make a mistake if I’m not properly rested or nourished.

Originally Posted by mulcher

I have zero ethic for SWA anymore. ZERO! I’m doing what’s best for myself and the person I’m flying with. That’s it!! Imagine if 10,000 got on the same page. 520 and nothing more. Screw Blowjo and his Csuite thieves.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

This ^^^THIS^^* is the crux of our problem. Stop being *******g wheelchair warriors! Stop carry write-ups to the next SWA MX station. STOP RUSHING TO GET THE “MISSION” DONE!

Do *YOUR* job and your job only for ****’s sake. This is not rocket surgery to figure out 🙄

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

About time you put something motivating and not belittling our pilot group, Lew.

Yes, I really think it will take a strike to bring this to the conclusion. To "un-AIP" sections previously agreed upon is ludicrous in mediation, but I wonder if Carl is practically daring us to strike. Same with AW showing up to the lounge in MCO and not going to SEA to participate in negotiations. And where the hell is NoShoBoJo? He still thinks he's not allowed in negotiations?? By whom? Gary?

I keep hearing people wondering if it's incompetence at play here. I really don't think so. They know what they're doing and they're trying to induce negotiations fatigue so we'll settle just to get it over with. That worked in the past for them, and they're trying the same old playbook. However, unlike before, we have a completely different pilot group, different demographics, different industry, and these people are still stuck in the "fly-it-like-a-200" era.

There is no progress made and Carl proved it by "un-AIPing" previously agreed-upon sections. If anything, that sure doesn't look like good faith negotiation. The next step is up to the mediator. Personally, I don't think there will be any serious progress until the end of the cooling off period, and even then, we need to stay strong and not settle for anything not industry-leading in every section. If it takes walking, then we walk.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

CK and Carlisle (and FH) in their arrogance don’t think we’ll get released, therefore they feel empowered to push the envelope. Now they’re no longer in “good faith” and the meltdown has shown that a strike here won’t cripple commerce. There’s no argument against the NMB releasing us to a strike.

Don’t forget, every move of theirs is choreographed by FordHarrison. To see what’s really going on you have to look beyond them and the company and look to the FH playbook.

Its time for swapa NC to Un-AIP the whole TA thus far and shoot for the moon.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Next in the FH playbook (I'm guessing) is turning other employee groups against us, and suggesting that their job security in in jeopardy due to our intransigence.

Originally Posted by CA1900

They're not wrong. When we strike, the airline shuts down, and everybody suffers (except management, at least in the short term). But the other workgroups need to turn their anger to management. They got us into this mess, and only they can end it.

The only part I don't understand is why they're doing it. Do they really think we're just going to roll over and vote in a crappy TA? I can speak only for myself, but the more they keep disrespecting us, the more I want to dig my heels in until we get something worth voting in.

Originally Posted by CA1900

They're not wrong. When we strike, the airline shuts down, and everybody suffers (except management, at least in the short term). But the other workgroups need to turn their anger to management. They got us into this mess, and only they can end it.

The only part I don't understand is why they're doing it. Do they really think we're just going to roll over and vote in a crappy TA? I can speak only for myself, but the more they keep disrespecting us, the more I want to dig my heels in until we get something worth voting in.