Share your typical SWA Schedule
07-13-2023, 02:28 PM
#101
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for those of us not in the know, what makes it so in your opinion vis a vis other airlines? Because nothing about habitual 3am aircraft beddowns/airport show times inspires anything but copious use of fatigue/sick calls in my mind.
Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
07-13-2023, 02:35 PM
#102
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for those of us not in the know, what makes it so in your opinion vis a vis other airlines? Because nothing about habitual 3am aircraft beddowns/airport show times inspires anything but copious use of fatigue/sick calls in my mind.
Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
To me the fatigue policy needs to pay out awarded pay regardless if on a straight or premium trip.
I'd bet fewer than 10% on premium call in fatigued because they dont want to lose pay.
07-13-2023, 03:48 PM
#103
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Unlimited use, automatically pays out of company bank not your sick bank, pays immediately, no phone calls from chiefs or HQ about them, no report required, immediate pull, and you have to agree to the recovery plan.
Only problems with it are that you lose the premium portion of your pay if you're on a premium trip and you don't get premium pay for any recovery, just straight time on the whole thing.
Only problems with it are that you lose the premium portion of your pay if you're on a premium trip and you don't get premium pay for any recovery, just straight time on the whole thing.
There is no requirement to fill out a fatigue survey, but each fatigue call in my experience generated 2-3 voicemails (btw, ALWAYS send it to vm) asking me to fill one out.
Prior to showing on Day 1 of a pairing, the fatigue payout is paid from your own sick bank. Once you’ve checked in, it’s SWA paid.
Not sure about the other legacies, but at Delta it is always company paid.
07-13-2023, 04:04 PM
#104
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2004/05. Here’s a recap from DFW itself which eventually tried to just get Swa to put longer flights at dfw and offered up $22million in free rent/incentives. Can’t find article about first proposal specifics.
https://news.dfwairport.com/dfw-inte...ional-airport/
https://news.dfwairport.com/dfw-inte...ional-airport/
07-13-2023, 04:39 PM
#105
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The schedules the last couple of years have turned this place into a sweat shop. Didn’t used to be like this. Never been so tired and beat up after almost every trip. SWAPA is correct in stating that the company refuses to acknowledge that a large number of our pilots are still pushing through, therefore that data is unrecognized.
07-13-2023, 05:05 PM
#106
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Yup. I've been rerouted into fatigue calls on premium trips a bunch of times in the last few years. Losing the pay does make one think twice about making the call, which I am sure was/is intentional.
07-13-2023, 05:19 PM
#107
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Y’all lose pay if you call FTG for a reasonable reason on premium? Wow, that’s sketchy as hell.
07-13-2023, 05:28 PM
#108
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07-13-2023, 05:29 PM
#109
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07-13-2023, 09:55 PM
#110
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What was the final outcome for those gates?
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