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Old 07-10-2023, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
CLE is hanging by a thread I think. UAL’s MCO/LAS aren’t big bases and 737 only for now just to lure pilots from the LCC’s. CVG was prob the last base to close from the big 3….was open 33 yrs and they blamed Rona when they shut it down May 2020.
Cant forget...
PIT - USAir
RDU and BNA - AA
STL - TWA/AA
CMH - America West
DAY and SYR - Piedmont (mainline, not the regional)
Arguably ATL - AirTran (the SWA base is a shadow of what AirTran once had)

Sure, some of the airlines are no more but those cities poured money into facilities to build a viable hub and were left with a ghost town.
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Wow, had no clue CVG was a delta domicile that recently. I assumed it closed more than a decade ago. I’ve been through there a couple times before 2020 and after and it looked like a scene out of that cheesy Langoliers movie. Total ghost town.
That place was a zoo back in the mid-2000’s!
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Old 07-10-2023, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Cant forget...
PIT - USAir
RDU and BNA - AA
STL - TWA/AA
CMH - America West
DAY and SYR - Piedmont (mainline, not the regional)
Arguably ATL - AirTran (the SWA base is a shadow of what AirTran once had)

Sure, some of the airlines are no more but those cities poured money into facilities to build a viable hub and were left with a ghost town.
TWA, Midwest Express and Vanguard had MCI bases….and are are extinct. MCI = bad juju
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Old 07-11-2023, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Cant forget...
PIT - USAir
RDU and BNA - AA
STL - TWA/AA
CMH - America West
DAY and SYR - Piedmont (mainline, not the regional)
Arguably ATL - AirTran (the SWA base is a shadow of what AirTran once had)

Sure, some of the airlines are no more but those cities poured money into facilities to build a viable hub and were left with a ghost town.
RDU was also a base for Midway Airlines.
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Old 07-11-2023, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Tankerhead
RDU was also a base for Midway Airlines.
True! Forgot about them.
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Old 07-12-2023, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by thrust
When were those bases closed? How long had they been open? Were they closed “at the drop of a hat?” I’m most interested in Delta, United, American, and Southwest, the four pax airlines generally considered to be part of the “Big 6” (not to take anything away from AK, F9, B6, NK pilots, as those are very much excellent places to work).
At DAL, DFW closed in the naughts, MEM closed a couple years after the merger in 2008, CVG closed during COVID.

The bigger takeaway is that while MEM was a relatively small base, even for NWA, both DFW and CVG were big, big deals for DAL, well over 1,000 pilots each at one point.

Once they started winding down DFW, it happened fairly rapidly. CVG suffered a long road of stagnation, but it was after the merger that it attrited down to 160 pilots total.
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
At DAL, DFW closed in the naughts, MEM closed a couple years after the merger in 2008, CVG closed during COVID.

The bigger takeaway is that while MEM was a relatively small base, even for NWA, both DFW and CVG were big, big deals for DAL, well over 1,000 pilots each at one point.

Once they started winding down DFW, it happened fairly rapidly. CVG suffered a long road of stagnation, but it was after the merger that it attrited down to 160 pilots total.
Supposedly, Delta asked for a deal on gate rent to keep DFW a hub, DFW said "no". Then after Delta said ok, nor more hub, DFW immediately offered SWA free rent for 5yrs and $5million in free advertising to move from LUV to DFW. SWA said, no.
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Old 07-13-2023, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
Supposedly, Delta asked for a deal on gate rent to keep DFW a hub, DFW said "no". Then after Delta said ok, nor more hub, DFW immediately offered SWA free rent for 5yrs and $5million in free advertising to move from LUV to DFW. SWA said, no.
What is the Date of Information that this occurred?Thanks
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Old 07-13-2023, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

We have the best fatigue policy in the business. It’s one of the few areas where we truly ARE industry leading. Use it.
for those of us not in the know, what makes it so in your opinion vis a vis other airlines? Because nothing about habitual 3am aircraft beddowns/airport show times inspires anything but copious use of fatigue/sick calls in my mind.

Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
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Old 07-13-2023, 12:50 PM
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for those of us not in the know, what makes it so in your opinion vis a vis other airlines? Because nothing about habitual 3am aircraft beddowns/airport show times inspires anything but copious use of fatigue/sick calls in my mind.

Even reading y'all's anecdotes gives me fatigue, and I've done transpacific unaugmented flying on medication and sleep debt so chronic it's illegal in the civ side. Sure, that was being young and not having career choices, but in my 50s? Nope. Just trying to understand how if things are that bad but the fatigue policy is so good, how this would still be an issue. Sincerely asking.
Unlimited use, automatically pays out of company bank not your sick bank, pays immediately, no phone calls from chiefs or HQ about them, no report required, immediate pull, and you have to agree to the recovery plan.

Only problems with it are that you lose the premium portion of your pay if you're on a premium trip and you don't get premium pay for any recovery, just straight time on the whole thing.
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