Destination 225
06-30-2023, 02:08 PM
#101
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In my view the big problem with taking low timers is that they lack experience in their tool kit, so rather than being an active and participatory member of the flight crew, they'll lean heavily on the Captain... which actually lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese. Much of our safety is built on folks who have the experience to say "no" or tell the Captain that he's nuts when he/she makes a bad decision.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
If the curriculum is set up correctly, it can work. Ours is a bunch of BS thrown together by idiots who think they know better. AQP should fix most of that since they’ll be forced to follow a script.
06-30-2023, 03:42 PM
#102
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In my view the big problem with taking low timers is that they lack experience in their tool kit, so rather than being an active and participatory member of the flight crew, they'll lean heavily on the Captain... which actually lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese. Much of our safety is built on folks who have the experience to say "no" or tell the Captain that he's nuts when he/she makes a bad decision.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
07-01-2023, 06:52 AM
#103
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There’s quite a bit at Delta that’s better than Southwest but training isn’t one of them. They are both terrible in their own ways.
And I’d say Southwest training issues lay with the logistics such as schedule and hotel, and too much “box ticking”. The content has significantly changed over time. For example, systems is no longer done by CBT, it is a group course with a 1:4 instructor to student ratio, taught by a line pilot.
And I’d say Southwest training issues lay with the logistics such as schedule and hotel, and too much “box ticking”. The content has significantly changed over time. For example, systems is no longer done by CBT, it is a group course with a 1:4 instructor to student ratio, taught by a line pilot.
07-01-2023, 04:17 PM
#104
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There’s quite a bit at Delta that’s better than Southwest but training isn’t one of them. They are both terrible in their own ways.
And I’d say Southwest training issues lay with the logistics such as schedule and hotel, and too much “box ticking”. The content has significantly changed over time. For example, systems is no longer done by CBT, it is a group course with a 1:4 instructor to student ratio, taught by a line pilot.
And I’d say Southwest training issues lay with the logistics such as schedule and hotel, and too much “box ticking”. The content has significantly changed over time. For example, systems is no longer done by CBT, it is a group course with a 1:4 instructor to student ratio, taught by a line pilot.
07-01-2023, 05:01 PM
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07-01-2023, 08:25 PM
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My 3rd also. My regional used Flight Safety for initial training for both aircraft so compared to SWA….it was really really good. Benefit of paying a company that specifically does type rating training vs doing it in house and expecting everyone to know the jet already because historically people showed up with the type already. When I did initial here we had weekends off to go home…no idea why they thought 6 on, 1 off was a great idea.
07-01-2023, 08:31 PM
#107
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The sim portion of the training was pretty straightforward. The rest of it was stuff that could have been done digitally or cut in half. Some folks got a block of days off between ground and sim, some just got one (like me). Anyway, enjoying a week between sim and UOE so that’s nice.
07-01-2023, 08:57 PM
#108
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I finished uograde training last month. It’s my fifth 121 aircraft, but 7th type.
The sim portion of the training was pretty straightforward. The rest of it was stuff that could have been done digitally or cut in half. Some folks got a block of days off between ground and sim, some just got one (like me). Anyway, enjoying a week between sim and UOE so that’s nice.
The sim portion of the training was pretty straightforward. The rest of it was stuff that could have been done digitally or cut in half. Some folks got a block of days off between ground and sim, some just got one (like me). Anyway, enjoying a week between sim and UOE so that’s nice.
07-02-2023, 05:49 AM
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My 3rd also. My regional used Flight Safety for initial training for both aircraft so compared to SWA….it was really really good. Benefit of paying a company that specifically does type rating training vs doing it in house and expecting everyone to know the jet already because historically people showed up with the type already. When I did initial here we had weekends off to go home…no idea why they thought 6 on, 1 off was a great idea.
I finished uograde training last month. It’s my fifth 121 aircraft, but 7th type.
The sim portion of the training was pretty straightforward. The rest of it was stuff that could have been done digitally or cut in half. Some folks got a block of days off between ground and sim, some just got one (like me). Anyway, enjoying a week between sim and UOE so that’s nice.
The sim portion of the training was pretty straightforward. The rest of it was stuff that could have been done digitally or cut in half. Some folks got a block of days off between ground and sim, some just got one (like me). Anyway, enjoying a week between sim and UOE so that’s nice.
Again, this not being my first time through one of these training events, I knew what I needed to study and what I could learn another day, so it was pretty low key for me. If this was my first 121 gig I think I would have had a much harder time with it, so best of luck to the 225 folks.
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