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06-25-2023, 11:01 AM
#92
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There, fixed it for yah..
06-29-2023, 11:59 PM
#93
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Joined APC: May 2022
Position: B737
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No turbine time.
The management who spoke in the recurrent said some have less than 1800 hours and no turbine time. They think if the kids pass the training, they’re as good as a pilot with a few years at regional. We had been told that they were going to get experience at partner airlines, but that’s not always true. It’s very concerning.
06-30-2023, 05:53 AM
#94
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
The management who spoke in the recurrent said some have less than 1800 hours and no turbine time. They think if the kids pass the training, they’re as good as a pilot with a few years at regional. We had been told that they were going to get experience at partner airlines, but that’s not always true. It’s very concerning.
The problem here is 1) we don’t have AQP 2) our ideas of tailoring training is to use a larger fire hose in the same footprint, and then get frustrated that they’re not getting it.
One thing for sure, when SWA does get AQP they’ll brag that they’re cutting edge even though they’re last to do it, just like the expanded envelope training we started a few years ago when the regionals had already been doing it for years.
06-30-2023, 06:34 AM
#95
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
Its very possible to train pilot with those credentials into safe professional pilots, the regionals do it because they’ve tailored their training to that demographic through AQP.
The problem here is 1) we don’t have AQP 2) our ideas of tailoring training is to use a larger fire hose in the same footprint, and then get frustrated that they’re not getting it.
One thing for sure, when SWA does get AQP they’ll brag that they’re cutting edge even though they’re last to do it, just like the expanded envelope training we started a few years ago when the regionals had already been doing it for years.
The problem here is 1) we don’t have AQP 2) our ideas of tailoring training is to use a larger fire hose in the same footprint, and then get frustrated that they’re not getting it.
One thing for sure, when SWA does get AQP they’ll brag that they’re cutting edge even though they’re last to do it, just like the expanded envelope training we started a few years ago when the regionals had already been doing it for years.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
06-30-2023, 09:26 AM
#96
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
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In my view the big problem with taking low timers is that they lack experience in their tool kit, so rather than being an active and participatory member of the flight crew, they'll lean heavily on the Captain... which actually lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese. Much of our safety is built on folks who have the experience to say "no" or tell the Captain that he's nuts when he/she makes a bad decision.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
All of this x 1,000.
Going through upgrade, we were told about some new hires needing upwards of 100 hours to complete their IOE. Unfathomable just a few years ago...
06-30-2023, 09:28 AM
#97
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 69
In my view the big problem with taking low timers is that they lack experience in their tool kit, so rather than being an active and participatory member of the flight crew, they'll lean heavily on the Captain... which actually lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese. Much of our safety is built on folks who have the experience to say "no" or tell the Captain that he's nuts when he/she makes a bad decision.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
I’d rather CBT the entire airplane on my couch from home. It may be my 6th type rating. One size doesn’t fit all obviously.
06-30-2023, 09:39 AM
#98
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
In my view the big problem with taking low timers is that they lack experience in their tool kit, so rather than being an active and participatory member of the flight crew, they'll lean heavily on the Captain... which actually lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese. Much of our safety is built on folks who have the experience to say "no" or tell the Captain that he's nuts when he/she makes a bad decision.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
Training can't fix that.
Where we fall short on training, in my opinion, is systems. You can't take a pilot who has never flown a jet and give them computer based training. They need a classroom led systems course where they can ask questions and speed up or slow down the class as necessary to make sure learning objectives are met.
06-30-2023, 10:05 AM
#99
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 466
06-30-2023, 12:00 PM
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