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Old 07-02-2019, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
I don't put anyone on my avoidance bid list. I'm not willing to sacrifice my quality of life, work or paycheck because someone is difficult to work with. I've been paired with high avoidance bid guys/gals, and we usually understand each other very well by the second leg of the trip. Helps to be direct and not passive-aggressive.

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Exactly. I never put anyone on mine. There were only 2 folks that I even considered putting on mine when I was an FO. One of them, I only flew with once, but the other one had the same kind of crummy commute that I had, so we got stuck together far more often than I'd have liked.

It was much harder to change your schedule around back then, so I ended up flying the better part of 3-4 months per year with him....

Bottom line was that I'd rather deal with my favorite Kernal 12-13 days per month than spend an extra 4 nights in the crash pad. The entertainment value watching him get ticked off over trivial stuff when dealing with his "subordinates" like the FAs and rampers, was pretty high, so it wasn't all bad.

Good times......
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Old 07-02-2019, 04:13 PM
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I have one on my avoidance bid, but plenty of names are on my own personal list. The one I have is the number one HOU guy and he is well known by all parties. The only reason I keep him on there is because I assume someone is tracking this stuff and I want them to have the data point. I wouldn’t fly with him again, but that is easily accomplished via ELITT and ttga.
Life is too short to fly with miserable folks. I just had two trips in a row with delightful captains who made the whole affair go so well. I am done apologizing to others for the behavior of my flying partner and done being miserable on account of others.
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:12 PM
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The impact on a FO’s bidding is greatly overstated here. You can have three CA’s on your list. My base has close to 600 CA’s. The one person on my list is too senior to bid the line I get anyway.
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:26 PM
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Rumor has it when CAL first got PBS, an FO put his own name on his “no fly with” list. He got no bid line with full guarantee.

Well, it was a good story anyway.
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
The entertainment value watching him get ticked off over trivial stuff when dealing with his "subordinates" like the FAs and rampers, was pretty high, so it wasn't all bad.

Good times......

“They’re like the enlisted to me...”


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Old 07-03-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
“They’re like the enlisted to me...”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN82J_X7J7A
It is frightening just how accurate that is....... And describes my favorite kernal to a T.
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Peacock
The impact on a FO’s bidding is greatly overstated here. You can have three CA’s on your list. My base has close to 600 CA’s. The one person on my list is too senior to bid the line I get anyway.

It is a lot easier to avoid the AB folks nowadays than it was 20 years ago, even without putting them on your list.
In my case, there were typically 1-3 lines per month that would work around my commute and we didn't have nearly the flexibility that ELITT offers, even with all of the (SWApA imposed) restrictions, err, "gains" ;-) .

That's one of the reasons that all of those otherwise great trips with the AB kings/queens end up in ELITT, with few takers, nowadays.
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
even with all of the (SWApA imposed) restrictions.


Bite your tongue... those were “hard won gains”, weren’t they?


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Old 07-03-2019, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Bite your tongue... those were “hard won gains”, weren’t they?


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Of course........

Edited the above post. ;-)
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gipple
The ones on the list are proud to be there. Management knows.
At UAL, the “avoid” list is mainly scabs. Those low life’s know they aren’t welcome, and it allows folks the option to avoid them. I believe all the majors have a similar bidding option for f/o’s.
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