SWA or JetBlue
04-18-2019, 04:13 AM
#71
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Nope, nothing to consider for you with 23+ years seniority, you’re smooth sailing...😎 at WN. Response was meant for the thread topic “WN vs B6” and the newbies who are considering where to go and comparing the two.
Essentially the pay is the same at both, with lots of 150% and 200% opportunities if you like to work extra at B6. Sounds like extra premium pay work is slowing at WN, but probably a temporary problem once MAX is flying again. The upgrade potential might also be slightly faster at B6.
E-190 is a downside at B6, but E-190 is going away, and the A-220 has a much better pay scale (12yr CA - $258), basically 737 pay. Also, with the Europe flying announcement in 2021, wouldn’t be surprised to see a different pay scale negotiated for A321LR, probably 757/767ish. There may even be an outside section 6 pay scale for A321LR/ETOPS, I.E. sooner??? It’s not currently addressed in the contract...Going to be very interesting to see how this is handled by ALPA, and it will be tough for the company to argue otherwise with the Trans Atlantic flying. So there may be a “pseudo-wide body like” pay scale upside potential at B6 that people aren’t considered vs WN.
Also there is a temporary upside to the E-190 with everyone leaving it quickly for the Bus, it offers a quick upgrade opportunity. Now an E-190 CA with “extra work” at 150/200% is better $$$ wise than a WN F/O waiting for upgrade.
Family consideration...B6 going to Europe, the MINT Business class is a really nice product, for $75 maybe a nice treat for your family to LHR/LGW/AMS trip in style, (if those seats are ever empty???).
WN has Hawaii flying, the profit sharing is way better, and there are more domiciles to chose from. In the old days it was an easy choice, but now pay is essentially the same at both, with potential for an upside at B6 with A321LR. Tough call, hopefully the folks comparing have both to chose from.
Essentially the pay is the same at both, with lots of 150% and 200% opportunities if you like to work extra at B6. Sounds like extra premium pay work is slowing at WN, but probably a temporary problem once MAX is flying again. The upgrade potential might also be slightly faster at B6.
E-190 is a downside at B6, but E-190 is going away, and the A-220 has a much better pay scale (12yr CA - $258), basically 737 pay. Also, with the Europe flying announcement in 2021, wouldn’t be surprised to see a different pay scale negotiated for A321LR, probably 757/767ish. There may even be an outside section 6 pay scale for A321LR/ETOPS, I.E. sooner??? It’s not currently addressed in the contract...Going to be very interesting to see how this is handled by ALPA, and it will be tough for the company to argue otherwise with the Trans Atlantic flying. So there may be a “pseudo-wide body like” pay scale upside potential at B6 that people aren’t considered vs WN.
Also there is a temporary upside to the E-190 with everyone leaving it quickly for the Bus, it offers a quick upgrade opportunity. Now an E-190 CA with “extra work” at 150/200% is better $$$ wise than a WN F/O waiting for upgrade.
Family consideration...B6 going to Europe, the MINT Business class is a really nice product, for $75 maybe a nice treat for your family to LHR/LGW/AMS trip in style, (if those seats are ever empty???).
WN has Hawaii flying, the profit sharing is way better, and there are more domiciles to chose from. In the old days it was an easy choice, but now pay is essentially the same at both, with potential for an upside at B6 with A321LR. Tough call, hopefully the folks comparing have both to chose from.
04-18-2019, 07:48 AM
#72
The REAL Bluedriver
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NO way JB pilots get a higher pay rate for the LR outside section 6. Not going to happen.
04-20-2019, 02:09 PM
#74
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I’m pretty sure that with 46 years of consecutive profitability SWA will be around for long enough.
Here is a recent report (not corrected for MAX stuff):
Southwest Airlines Reports Fourth Quarter And Annual Profit; 46th Consecutive Year Of Profitability ? Southwest Airlines
Here is a recent report (not corrected for MAX stuff):
Southwest Airlines Reports Fourth Quarter And Annual Profit; 46th Consecutive Year Of Profitability ? Southwest Airlines
04-20-2019, 04:57 PM
#76
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04-20-2019, 07:11 PM
#77
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If you all open up a East Coast ETOPS base, will they start a competing SWA ETOPS PILOTS Facebook page? to share tips about their travels over the pond.....
04-20-2019, 07:26 PM
#78
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No such thing will occur until there are multiple meetings with Ground Ops, Corporate, Flt Ops and the guy that details GK’s Porsche(s). Then and only then will an East Coast ETOPS base be considered and once approved the details of which will be buried in one of the 36,002 manuals that we have on our EFBs on which the search engines couldn’t find a Delta pilot asking for a wind check.
04-20-2019, 08:10 PM
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04-21-2019, 04:53 AM
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When flight attendants design cockpits and pilots design galley ... that's the beginning of the end!
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