Upgrade times in the future?
02-05-2019, 08:25 PM
#171
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3 months give or take.... Reserves aren’t being fully utilized currently. If you like you can trade reserve for trips with lineholders and/or just trade your reserve away. Minimum days off is 15 on Reserve with the average being 17 days as a Lineholder. No international out of PHX. Welcome Aboard...
02-05-2019, 08:31 PM
#172
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
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How soon can a new FO hold PHX? How many days month are you getting called into fly on reserve as a new FO? Once you hold a line how many days a month are you away sleeping in a hotel? What are the trips like out of PHX?
I know there are a lot of variables but any insight is appreciated.
I know there are a lot of variables but any insight is appreciated.
An awarded line for a first year FO is quite often weekend flying, just like a first year reserve line will be weekend reserve. Mostly 3 day trips with 3 days off. Turns tend to get bid by senior pilots living in base so expect all of your trips to be away from base for the first few years at least. Even first year pilots are gonna get 15 days off unless they pick up additional trips.
Weekend reserves is pretty much the standard for first year. That said, it's not all bad. This Feb because flying is so thin, I cleared my entire schedule out, all 4 weekend reserve blocks. Gone. Yea I probably won't be able to pick up much, but I didn't want to sit weekend reserve so I put them up for give-away and every single weekend went away, poof. It's not always like that but right now flying is thin enough that you may be able to give away anything you don't like and roll the bones on trying to pick up stuff you DO like.
And of course, min guarantee applies. If you don't want to play the game, you fly your line and ka-ching cash your check.
02-05-2019, 09:46 PM
#173
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: Gear Puller
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On reserves as a first year guy in PHX, I would pretty much always get called to fly on my first and second reserve blocks of the month. Third and later reserve blocks, I'd usually fly if I preferenced fly and sit if I preferenced pass.
An awarded line for a first year FO is quite often weekend flying, just like a first year reserve line will be weekend reserve. Mostly 3 day trips with 3 days off. Turns tend to get bid by senior pilots living in base so expect all of your trips to be away from base for the first few years at least. Even first year pilots are gonna get 15 days off unless they pick up additional trips.
Weekend reserves is pretty much the standard for first year. That said, it's not all bad. This Feb because flying is so thin, I cleared my entire schedule out, all 4 weekend reserve blocks. Gone. Yea I probably won't be able to pick up much, but I didn't want to sit weekend reserve so I put them up for give-away and every single weekend went away, poof. It's not always like that but right now flying is thin enough that you may be able to give away anything you don't like and roll the bones on trying to pick up stuff you DO like.
And of course, min guarantee applies. If you don't want to play the game, you fly your line and ka-ching cash your check.
An awarded line for a first year FO is quite often weekend flying, just like a first year reserve line will be weekend reserve. Mostly 3 day trips with 3 days off. Turns tend to get bid by senior pilots living in base so expect all of your trips to be away from base for the first few years at least. Even first year pilots are gonna get 15 days off unless they pick up additional trips.
Weekend reserves is pretty much the standard for first year. That said, it's not all bad. This Feb because flying is so thin, I cleared my entire schedule out, all 4 weekend reserve blocks. Gone. Yea I probably won't be able to pick up much, but I didn't want to sit weekend reserve so I put them up for give-away and every single weekend went away, poof. It's not always like that but right now flying is thin enough that you may be able to give away anything you don't like and roll the bones on trying to pick up stuff you DO like.
And of course, min guarantee applies. If you don't want to play the game, you fly your line and ka-ching cash your check.
Great info... thx for that.
02-06-2019, 06:08 AM
#174
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 588
How soon can a new FO hold PHX? How many days month are you getting called into fly on reserve as a new FO? Once you hold a line how many days a month are you away sleeping in a hotel? What are the trips like out of PHX?
I know there are a lot of variables but any insight is appreciated.
I know there are a lot of variables but any insight is appreciated.
I almost never did any reserve at all even as a new guy. I was in a different base though, but I could always trade my rsv for a trip or give it away completely if I wanted to. Reserve pays though if you live in base... your pay only goes up if they use you
02-06-2019, 04:11 PM
#175
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Left seat
Posts: 41
On reserves as a first year guy in PHX, I would pretty much always get called to fly on my first and second reserve blocks of the month. Third and later reserve blocks, I'd usually fly if I preferenced fly and sit if I preferenced pass.
An awarded line for a first year FO is quite often weekend flying, just like a first year reserve line will be weekend reserve. Mostly 3 day trips with 3 days off. Turns tend to get bid by senior pilots living in base so expect all of your trips to be away from base for the first few years at least. Even first year pilots are gonna get 15 days off unless they pick up additional trips.
Weekend reserves is pretty much the standard for first year. That said, it's not all bad. This Feb because flying is so thin, I cleared my entire schedule out, all 4 weekend reserve blocks. Gone. Yea I probably won't be able to pick up much, but I didn't want to sit weekend reserve so I put them up for give-away and every single weekend went away, poof. It's not always like that but right now flying is thin enough that you may be able to give away anything you don't like and roll the bones on trying to pick up stuff you DO like.
And of course, min guarantee applies. If you don't want to play the game, you fly your line and ka-ching cash your check.
An awarded line for a first year FO is quite often weekend flying, just like a first year reserve line will be weekend reserve. Mostly 3 day trips with 3 days off. Turns tend to get bid by senior pilots living in base so expect all of your trips to be away from base for the first few years at least. Even first year pilots are gonna get 15 days off unless they pick up additional trips.
Weekend reserves is pretty much the standard for first year. That said, it's not all bad. This Feb because flying is so thin, I cleared my entire schedule out, all 4 weekend reserve blocks. Gone. Yea I probably won't be able to pick up much, but I didn't want to sit weekend reserve so I put them up for give-away and every single weekend went away, poof. It's not always like that but right now flying is thin enough that you may be able to give away anything you don't like and roll the bones on trying to pick up stuff you DO like.
And of course, min guarantee applies. If you don't want to play the game, you fly your line and ka-ching cash your check.
How long for an FO to Upgrade in PHX? Is there a lot of movement in PHX? How does it compare to other domiciles? Is PHX considered junior?
02-06-2019, 09:56 PM
#176
Strike averted!
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02-08-2019, 11:11 AM
#177
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Position: 175 CA
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02-18-2019, 01:23 PM
#180
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The big question is will those hired in 08-11 be interested in bidding LAX, or are they so close to holding the left seat in the base they want or happily bypassing already that they bypass LAX. Supposedly around 70 current Captains live within driving distance of LAX, and probably 2 bids will be enough for them to bid in. After that, we will see how interested FOs are in upgrading in LAX and taking the seat lock.
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