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12-23-2018, 01:22 PM

#101

Smooth at FL450

weekends off? Nope...

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Originally Posted by CA1900

http://www.elegante-waikiki.com/

Not funny!!! It’s probably next to the Monarch-Waikiki

12-25-2018, 06:50 AM

#102

Squallrider

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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

If a picture is worth a thousand words, this one should help explain why 10 year upgrades should soon/hopefully be a thing of the past

Attachment 4083

Idk unless the bottom falls out the guys at year 0 and 1 is about 4 years worth of upgrades alone

12-25-2018, 07:09 AM

#103

ZapBrannigan

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The shocking part is the FOs in years 10-13. Probably close to 1000 pilots if you added them all up. Eventually they’ll all decide to switch seats. That will slow things down quite a bit.

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12-25-2018, 08:46 AM

#104

RckyMtHigh

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Whoever the FO is at year 24 is my new hero!

12-25-2018, 09:13 AM

#105

ZapBrannigan

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Originally Posted by RckyMtHigh

Whoever the FO is at year 24 is my new hero!

Ya gotta kind of respect him. Bids whatever vacation he wants. Whatever days off he wants. Whatever line he wants. Bids premium and charters without ever wondering if he will get it. All that plus 5 weeks of vacation that he easily turns into 15-20 weeks. If money or ego isn’t driving you to upgrade, then maybe this guy is on to something!

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12-25-2018, 09:39 AM

#106

ShyGuy

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Not all 20+ yr FO are by choice. I know a guy who couldn’t pass upgrade and sticks it out as senior FO.

12-25-2018, 09:42 AM

#107

e6bpilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Not all 20+ yr FO are by choice. I know a guy who couldn’t pass upgrade and sticks it out as senior FO.

That or can’t hold a first class medical. The retirees that are FOs are usually for this reason.

12-25-2018, 10:26 AM

#108

ShyGuy

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Did that rule change? PIC were ATP with 1st class and SIC could have been Comm with 2nd class. Now everyone is ATP. Can FOs still just get a 2nd class every 12 mos for a 121 airline?

12-25-2018, 10:30 AM

#109

RJSAviator76

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Did that rule change? PIC were ATP with 1st class and SIC could have been Comm with 2nd class. Now everyone is ATP. Can FOs still just get a 2nd class every 12 mos for a 121 airline?

Absolutely.

12-25-2018, 11:24 AM

#110

at6d

Strike averted!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Did that rule change? PIC were ATP with 1st class and SIC could have been Comm with 2nd class. Now everyone is ATP. Can FOs still just get a 2nd class every 12 mos for a 121 airline?

Yes.

The captain is exercising the ATP during the flight hence the requirement.

Hiring requirements are different.