Southwest Hiring 2019
11-06-2018, 07:59 PM
#101
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Seems they eventually did run some numbers...and it’s not like those etops -800s have been collecting dust since then. Economics of the Max have clearly changed the math
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11-06-2018, 08:07 PM
#102
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Aloha did that. They were so successful they had to shut the airline down to devote more time to spending all the money.
I would think a guy deep in the ETOPS program would know that a 737-800 with 175 passengers and bags might find it a little difficult to depart LIH and OGG with ETOPS fuel. Might need to make a stop on an island with a longer runway... some may call that inter-island. I call it a technical stop.
Before you say Alaska does it remember, they carry people, not cattle. 159 pax and bags weigh a lot less. Also all of Alaska's ETOPS aircraft have the Short Field Performance package. SWA only has that on the MAX, since it now comes standard.
I would think a guy deep in the ETOPS program would know that a 737-800 with 175 passengers and bags might find it a little difficult to depart LIH and OGG with ETOPS fuel. Might need to make a stop on an island with a longer runway... some may call that inter-island. I call it a technical stop.
Before you say Alaska does it remember, they carry people, not cattle. 159 pax and bags weigh a lot less. Also all of Alaska's ETOPS aircraft have the Short Field Performance package. SWA only has that on the MAX, since it now comes standard.
11-06-2018, 08:17 PM
#103
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Alaska carries people and Southwest carries cattle. Good one. How long did it take you to come up with that one? Guess cattle must be worth a lot more. Have you actually said anything that is factually correct. You were wrong about our 800’s. Wrong about Aloha. You or I have no idea what WN is doing but you don’t mind coming on here and spewing a bunch of bad info.
11-06-2018, 09:31 PM
#104
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This thread has jumped the shark. SWA doesn’t enter a market to lose money and I highly doubt they will do so in Hawaii. They have a Hawaii industry insider running the network and I am fairly certain an extensive amount of research has been done.
Alaska has a great product and my family has bought tickets on them to Hawaii and would do it again. They own the SEA/PDX portion of that market and I highly doubt that will change. They also have the option to feed their Hawaii airplanes with secondary markets using Skywest or Horizon (good for the company, not for mainline pilots). Don’t count them out.
In the end, I think there is plenty of room for both to operate there. I have a feeling that for the price of two Love Field gates, SWA and Alaska would probably come to a hasty agreement that would chill out the whole “battle for California” thing that is going on.
Alaska has a great product and my family has bought tickets on them to Hawaii and would do it again. They own the SEA/PDX portion of that market and I highly doubt that will change. They also have the option to feed their Hawaii airplanes with secondary markets using Skywest or Horizon (good for the company, not for mainline pilots). Don’t count them out.
In the end, I think there is plenty of room for both to operate there. I have a feeling that for the price of two Love Field gates, SWA and Alaska would probably come to a hasty agreement that would chill out the whole “battle for California” thing that is going on.
11-06-2018, 10:13 PM
#106
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This thread has jumped the shark. SWA doesn’t enter a market to lose money and I highly doubt they will do so in Hawaii. They have a Hawaii industry insider running the network and I am fairly certain an extensive amount of research has been done.
Alaska has a great product and my family has bought tickets on them to Hawaii and would do it again. They own the SEA/PDX portion of that market and I highly doubt that will change. They also have the option to feed their Hawaii airplanes with secondary markets using Skywest or Horizon (good for the company, not for mainline pilots). Don’t count them out.
In the end, I think there is plenty of room for both to operate there. I have a feeling that for the price of two Love Field gates, SWA and Alaska would probably come to a hasty agreement that would chill out the whole “battle for California” thing that is going on.
Alaska has a great product and my family has bought tickets on them to Hawaii and would do it again. They own the SEA/PDX portion of that market and I highly doubt that will change. They also have the option to feed their Hawaii airplanes with secondary markets using Skywest or Horizon (good for the company, not for mainline pilots). Don’t count them out.
In the end, I think there is plenty of room for both to operate there. I have a feeling that for the price of two Love Field gates, SWA and Alaska would probably come to a hasty agreement that would chill out the whole “battle for California” thing that is going on.
No offense but two gates at DAL is peanuts compared to California. 39MM people in Cali. 28MM in Texas, and DAL is a tiny portion of the market there.
11-07-2018, 07:16 AM
#108
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11-07-2018, 07:18 AM
#109
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It was sort of tongue in cheek but those Love gates are worth a lot to SWA and it has a lot bigger reach than just Texas. The California thing is pretty much a wrap. We have sent a lot of extra capacity that way and are opening up a crew base in our biggest market out there. We will continue to be the dominant carrier out there because it is the biggest market in the US, perhaps besides the Northeast where we just don’t have the infrastructure to dominate like the legacy carriers do.
Alaska responded by darkening the skies with Skywest E175s and cutting capacity to a lot of places where it and VA fly.
11-07-2018, 07:42 AM
#110
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I think all this ends with an eventual WN/AS merger. I don’t think that is what AS wants, but they have backed themselves into a corner with their VX acquisition and now are going to have no choice but to burn through cash to defend their newly acquired turf in California. When it becomes painfully obvious to them that they aren’t going to be able to do that and they have nowhere else to turn, they will begrudgingly have to accept their fate and agree to a merger. My predicition is 18-24 months from now tops.
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