StillFlying

Every individual has their price. Think about it, as an extreme, if your company came in and said they would give you a 100% B plan, a 50% pay raise, and an extra week or two of vacation per year in exchange for PBS, I would guarantee you would see members voting for PBS.

If the company really wants to see it, the calculus is were the B plan, wage, and vacation (among other things) ends up. Yeah, got it, you’ll never get a 100% B plan...but how about a 25% B plan...how about your wage never being less than the best paid 73 pilots at other airlines...how about vacation being industry leading...

SlipKid

With this pilot group, they wouldn't even have to do that. If it went out for a vote with no added incentive, there's a very good chance that it would pass, especially if they crank up the old SWApAganda machine and hard sell it.

More than 1/3 of our group voted YES! for a concession ridden TA a few years ago. 84% voted for our current contract, which has once again put us behind in most areas. Same as it ever was around here.

The company would never go for a PBS system that doesn't save them money, which is any PBS system that wouldn't screw the pilot group.

Get Real

There is irrefutable proof, easily referenced, that the pilots of the most profitable airline in history are indeed dumb koolies.

Look at our contract.

This PBS discussion gives a hint at things.

ZapBrannigan

How so? The original post was “hey, look. This is why we are happy with line bidding and not interested in PBS.”


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ROFF

I’d be fine with PBS as long as the lines were built before bidding.

e6bpilot

This thread got APCd. The original post was spot on. For all the poo pooing of the old way we do things at swa, line bidding is, and will remain, one of our greatest QOL boosters.
I use overlap every month to get days pulled and or extra TFP during peak times. You think that would be a thing under PBS? How about the bonus that I get every February by bidding the min pay line? It is the gift that keeps on giving.
That, our sick bank, and vacation are the low hanging fruit that the company will certainly be coming for next round. Don’t like it? Let your reps know. I write mine every now and again and always remind him of my must have and must not touch things in negotiations.
Being the most efficient pilots in the industry used to be a win win. Now that the company has introduced inefficiencies into the network (hub and spoke, sit times, long overnights, deadheads, overnights in bases), there is less incentive to go after efficiency and more incentive to go after cost items that are important to our QOL. Every time I hear about how flight ops is making great strides to come up with a comprehensive crew management software, I cringe. They keep delaying it....wonder why?

Bwipilot

I'll fight PBS tooth and nail because would cost me $25K yearly (vacation overlap pay) and increase the amount that I'd have to work.

I currently average 45 TFP each week of vacation. Line bidding gets me about 10 weeks off from flying each year (5 weeks of vacation). SWA would have to double my vacation to make PBS a comparable system. I don't see SWA every agreeing to that--since many SWA pilots just take their 26.25 TFP each week of vacation (saving the Kompany a lot of money). I'd ask those pilots to not force me to do the same.

#&@# PBS

Spookywatcher

I haven't even been here 3yrs yet.

My November line using one week of vacation:

93.69 TFP
22 Days Off
Thanksgiving Off
3 Weekends Off
100% Commutable


My October line with recurrent training:

105.04 TFP
18 Days Off
Halloween Off
2 Weekends Off

PBS can below me.

SpookyWatcher <--- 16%er

SlipKid

Absolutely.......

Beware anyone touting the "virtues" of PBS to this pilot group.

at6d

Or scope. I’m worried the old “throw money at them and they will cave” tactic will be employed.