Upgrade times
10-13-2018, 04:51 PM
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I've heard that about 90 CAs and 40 FOs have bid LAX as their first choice in CWA. No doubt that LAX will cause enough movement that some of those FOs will be able to hold CA pretty quickly. I'm expecting LAX to be super junior, especially on the FO side, very quickly.
10-13-2018, 06:10 PM
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Upgrade time is going to come down in my opinion. The bypass percentage is going to only go up with the etops bid group being in the two junior bases. That and a 5 year hiring slump that is just getting ready to hit the upgrade point means it should trend down pretty significantly.
Zap is right, though, about a couple of things.
One, hiring has been at a breakneck pace while everyone else has slowed down. At some point, we will slow down too.
Two, the early NG retirements are going to happen. Management can use that to keep aircraft count (and capacity) relatively flat. In fact, for every 700 they retire, CASM goes down since all the new deliveries minus the few max 7s are all 175 seat planes.
Three, the economy is showing cracks. We will hit a slowdown at some point.
Zap is right, though, about a couple of things.
One, hiring has been at a breakneck pace while everyone else has slowed down. At some point, we will slow down too.
Two, the early NG retirements are going to happen. Management can use that to keep aircraft count (and capacity) relatively flat. In fact, for every 700 they retire, CASM goes down since all the new deliveries minus the few max 7s are all 175 seat planes.
Three, the economy is showing cracks. We will hit a slowdown at some point.
10-14-2018, 08:16 PM
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Some of the reasons have already been discussed, but always remember, just like the quick upgrade to Captain at DL if you’re willing to bid NYC, there is a reason over 1,000 FO’s are bypassing upgrade here. Yes, you may be able to hold Captain in under 10 years, the question you have to ask yourself is, do you really want to if it means commuting to sit Reserve in LA.
10-15-2018, 03:31 AM
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Some of the reasons have already been discussed, but always remember, just like the quick upgrade to Captain at DL if you’re willing to bid NYC, there is a reason over 1,000 FO’s are bypassing upgrade here. Yes, you may be able to hold Captain in under 10 years, the question you have to ask yourself is, do you really want to if it means commuting to sit Reserve in LA.
I can sell my house in August, 2019 (tax reasons) and then I will seriously consider packing up and moving to CA. I like it a lot when I'm out there.
10-15-2018, 06:47 AM
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What's upgrade on 737/320 at Delta, at a base like DTW/MSP/ATL/SLC? I'm guessing that's faster then the upgrade to an equivalent base at SWA today, if not very soon.
This is why times are going to be interesting going forward. If you are choosing between SWA and DL what does SWA offer? DL will have the faster upgrade, more pay, better LTD/retirement, and more WB flying. They also have regional partners to draw pilots from. Will SWA get the 2nd/3rd tier applicants?
I heard pilot getting CJOs today are being told class-dates six months out. That's lot of time to interview somewhere else while waiting.
10-15-2018, 06:54 AM
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I'd move there. I'm considering moving to CA anyway. I have a couple friends who moved there for UA and AS and I don't think they're unhappy with their decision in the least.
I can sell my house in August, 2019 (tax reasons) and then I will seriously consider packing up and moving to CA. I like it a lot when I'm out there.
I can sell my house in August, 2019 (tax reasons) and then I will seriously consider packing up and moving to CA. I like it a lot when I'm out there.
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10-15-2018, 07:08 AM
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I would strongly consider Manhattan Beach or Palos Verdes to start.
10-15-2018, 07:12 AM
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One thing SWA offers? No cheaper "regional partners" to outsource flying. That's a huge plus in my eyes. I'm reminded of it every time I go into SJC and see a a string of "Alaska" Embraers instead of 737s.
10-15-2018, 08:27 AM
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10-15-2018, 08:37 AM
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If you are choosing between SWA and DL what does SWA offer? DL will have the faster upgrade, more pay, better LTD/retirement, and more WB flying. They also have regional partners to draw pilots from. Will SWA get the 2nd/3rd tier applicants?
I heard pilot getting CJOs today are being told class-dates six months out. That's lot of time to interview somewhere else while waiting.
I heard pilot getting CJOs today are being told class-dates six months out. That's lot of time to interview somewhere else while waiting.
Schedule flexibility including reserve line holders can trade for trips, inter-domicile trading and trip pickup, and no PBS.
Low company debt and history of financial success for the last 40+ years.
Relative stability.
No farmed-out regional flying. Don’t worry, we can hire the pilots from Delta regionals, too.
AM and PM options.
Three on, four off schedules.
Free health care plan option.
New aircraft deliveries.
Domination in the US domestic market.
These are some things I consider.
When you compare pay, what are you using to compare?
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