Upgrade times
11-02-2018, 12:24 PM
#161
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
Let me be very clear. My ego is not so delicate that I need a cross country commute to a cheap hotel in a bad neighborhood just so I can have new business cards printed that say ‘Captain’.
But one man’s trash is another man’s treasure I guess...
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11-02-2018, 01:07 PM
#162
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 313
Yeah, if they don’t make those a little better deal they’re going to have a hard time. Just because it has a Hawaii overnight doesn’t mean anyone is going to want to work longer for less pay. On the FO side, it will be a bunch of new hire FOs that will bid out at their first chance (and won’t have the 6 month lock) which means a large and sustained training footprint to keep etops manned.
11-02-2018, 02:50 PM
#163
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Cabin Temp Management Specialist
Posts: 277
Let me be very clear. My ego is not so delicate that I need a cross country commute to a cheap hotel in a bad neighborhood just so I can have new business cards printed that say ‘Captain’.
But one man’s trash is another man’s treasure I guess...
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But one man’s trash is another man’s treasure I guess...
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11-02-2018, 05:32 PM
#164
Gets Everyday Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Fully Retired
Posts: 7,000
11-02-2018, 08:05 PM
#166
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 52
Same as November, since some bypassers bid to the left seat. Right now a ten year upgrade for a SWA hire. Ironically even though the future looks good for 2014 on onwards hires, upgrade will likely rise to 11-12 years in the near future.
Right now we are working through the bubble of 2008 SWA hires and former AirTran pilots. The junior capt is currently in the range of 800-1000 numbers above the last AirTran hire. Once we get through this group upgrade will start to drop as there were very few hires 2011-2014.
When will that happen? Good question because there are so many variables but hopefully we upgrade 500 next year and we chew up quite a bit of that bubble. LAX should be interesting also, after the initial bid by people who live there, how junior will LAX CA go considering the COS and what looks like poor quality trips.
There are reasons to come to SWA, and good reasons to go to UA, but for someone hired in 2018 I don't see how you could make an argument that upgrade at SWA would be faster.
Right now we are working through the bubble of 2008 SWA hires and former AirTran pilots. The junior capt is currently in the range of 800-1000 numbers above the last AirTran hire. Once we get through this group upgrade will start to drop as there were very few hires 2011-2014.
When will that happen? Good question because there are so many variables but hopefully we upgrade 500 next year and we chew up quite a bit of that bubble. LAX should be interesting also, after the initial bid by people who live there, how junior will LAX CA go considering the COS and what looks like poor quality trips.
There are reasons to come to SWA, and good reasons to go to UA, but for someone hired in 2018 I don't see how you could make an argument that upgrade at SWA would be faster.
This is pretty good info. I could hold OAK CA during the June and July vacancy because many senior FO’s didn’t want to go to training in the summer. Since then I haven’t been close to holding CA. Missed by 100-150 numbers. I am at 10.5 years next month and with 500 plus upgrades next year the numbers will come down a bit but like was said above the big factor is how many of the 1000 that are bypassing move to the left seat.
11-09-2018, 06:47 AM
#168
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 631
It's hard to compare SW, AK, or JB upgrade times to US3. There are many FOs bypassing upgrade flying 777, 787 etc.. who will not go back to NB flying. That fact alone is a big factor in quick upgrades in NB aircraft at the US3 (especially in NY) Those same pilots if working at SW, AK or JB would probably take a more traditional upgrade, thereby increasing upgrade times at carriers with only 1 or 2 fleet types. One thing for sure is that those newly minted CAs at the US3 will be Junior at Junior bases for a very long time... Some folks love the money, some love QOL, some love the fourth stripe. Nice to have choices!
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