Swa etops?
11-26-2018, 04:35 PM
#31
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I have no idea where some of you are getting the idea an ETOPS service check takes an hour or you need 90 minute turns. It literally consists of walk around, logbook review, verifying O2, hydraulic and APU oil levels and an engine oil service with each engine being serviced by a separate ETOPS qualified mechanic. If the fluid and O2 levels are good it would take 10 minutes tops. If everything needed to be topped off, a half hour max. Now ETOPS engine checks are a different animal which are completed with much less frequency but are way more in-depth and usually takes 3 people about 4 hours to complete. These checks are done one engine at a time at different intervals (never both at the same time) and are usually completed during an overnight at a station with ETOPS mechanics. The notion of needing an hour or more before an ETOPS departure is simply false.
11-26-2018, 05:53 PM
#32
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this and some of the above comments shows that you don't know much about the certification process or how ETOPS works.
table-tops and proving runs are different things
plus, you are not going to do them with PAX, since one will be a divert and the FAA will not tell you which one.
not saying you will not get ETOPS, just that it is not as easy as you think. Didn't your Company say they would have flights by Dec 2018? now there is silence, doesn't that tell you something?
table-tops and proving runs are different things
plus, you are not going to do them with PAX, since one will be a divert and the FAA will not tell you which one.
not saying you will not get ETOPS, just that it is not as easy as you think. Didn't your Company say they would have flights by Dec 2018? now there is silence, doesn't that tell you something?
)From what I read on the FAA website, 10 of the table top scenarios were conducted with real flights. Perhaps full of volunteers? Employees, or non revs from other airlines?
11-26-2018, 05:58 PM
#33
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It also normally involves checks of any standby generators. I don’t know what the ETOPS 737’s have but on a A330 or 767 it’s a HMU type unit. It requires the a hydraulic system to be pressurized and generally takes 10 minutes to complete. Servicing APU oil also takes time getting a stand ect.. Unless you were to put a team of mechanics on the aircraft it all takes time.
737 wasn’t designed for ETOPS. No standby generators, no HMU, no RAT, only a single crossfeed valve. I’ve heard that Alaska runs the APU all the way to Hawaii just in case they need its generator.
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11-26-2018, 05:59 PM
#34
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Their is a lot I don't know, but I love to learn. I appreciate all the input on here actually. If their are set backs, I see them as opportunities to be better. It's really exciting to see us moving forward and into new territory. (imagine me doing a cartwheel singling "LUV LUV LUV" )
From what I read on the FAA website, 10 of the table top scenarios were conducted with real flights. Perhaps full of volunteers? Employees, or non revs from other airlines?
)From what I read on the FAA website, 10 of the table top scenarios were conducted with real flights. Perhaps full of volunteers? Employees, or non revs from other airlines?
11-26-2018, 07:46 PM
#36
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The standby generator requirement on 737 is met by keeping the APU running. I'm pretty sure we will be required to keep APU running until back in non-ETOPS environment i.e. 60 minutes from ETOPS alternate. Once we demonstrate the ability and reliability for a period of time, we may be able to petition the FAA to waive that restriction. That's why Alaska doesn't fly with APU on.
I could totally see us turning the APU off before taxi and keeping it off until ETOPS entry, and then have APU not start necessitating an air return.
Another required check is the crossfeed valve check prior to landing and being put in the logbook. That's something that tends to be easily missed as well.
I'm just hoping we don't reinvent the wheel too badly.
I could totally see us turning the APU off before taxi and keeping it off until ETOPS entry, and then have APU not start necessitating an air return.
Another required check is the crossfeed valve check prior to landing and being put in the logbook. That's something that tends to be easily missed as well.
I'm just hoping we don't reinvent the wheel too badly.
11-26-2018, 08:01 PM
#37
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Only thing the pilots need to know about ETOPS is to use your company frequency when chit chatting about your layover...
everyone gets the hint eventually... The best part about going HF/CPDLC is not having to listen to radio chatter for 5 hours
everyone gets the hint eventually... The best part about going HF/CPDLC is not having to listen to radio chatter for 5 hours
11-27-2018, 09:40 AM
#38
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It also normally involves checks of any standby generators. I don’t know what the ETOPS 737’s have but on a A330 or 767 it’s a HMU type unit. It requires the a hydraulic system to be pressurized and generally takes 10 minutes to complete. Servicing APU oil also takes time getting a stand ect.. Unless you were to put a team of mechanics on the aircraft it all takes time.
11-27-2018, 10:20 AM
#39
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Oh there's still a bunch of idiot pilots chatting on air-to-air about toys, stocks and their layovers. If only they would just talk on their own company freq.
11-27-2018, 02:35 PM
#40
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