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Old 10-12-2017, 08:41 AM
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Saw today maybe InterIsland as well.

Any ideas what that might look like?
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ridinhigh
Saw today maybe InterIsland as well.

Any ideas what that might look like?
I'm guessing it'll look like someone other than SW carry those inter island SW pax.
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
It's roughly 2,900 mi from Den-Hnl. Max 8 has a range of roughly 3,500 mi.

UAL is ramping up the HI flights in DEN so it all depends on if they want to compete on the route with UAL flying 757, 777, and 787's.
United had to up its MTOW on the 757-200 fleet just so they could take a full load on a regular basis to HI. The MAX has no prayer of making that flight with any sort of payload worth while.

ETOPS requires ALOT of gas.....how many miles it is really doesn't mean jack. Plan worst case scenario Depress then fly back to HI or the mainland at 10,000 ft on one engine into the wind (because thats the longest time). On top of that make sure you have your B343 fuel (ETOPS Add fuel), your alt fuel and your company policy reserve fuel.

I have doubts that the MAX or the NEO will be able to take a full load to HI from anywhere but the west coast and even then not in the winter. It will be interesting to see how these planes do after a year of operation.
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
I'm guessing it'll look like someone other than SW carry those inter island SW pax.


That’s my guess as well.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:39 AM
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At the end of the day, we are

1. Hiring
2. Expanding
3. Profitable
4. The largest domestic carrier

I'm not too worried about Hawaii not working out. I think it's cool, and nice news for a change. Im more interested in the 50 international destinations SWA is looking at.

SWA opening up Hawaii will cause our compeditors some heartburn, as is apparent in this thread.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:20 PM
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Five more pages, minimum, of "I know more about ETOPS than you do" until this thread finally dies.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:54 PM
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Off topic I really hate the "largest domestic carrier" flag they throw around. It's disingenuous because it doesn't take into account the feeders - which, like it or not - are a part of the network. If you compare SW to Delta and all of the Delta Connection feed for example, or United and the United Express feed, our network is a fraction of the size and I'd bet a steak dinner that we carry fewer Pax than any one of those NETWORKS.


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Old 10-12-2017, 02:57 PM
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Bets on the ETOPS domicile? I'm going with OAK and PHX.

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Old 10-12-2017, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
At the end of the day, we are

1. Hiring
2. Expanding
3. Profitable
4. The largest domestic carrier

I'm not too worried about Hawaii not working out. I think it's cool, and nice news for a change. Im more interested in the 50 international destinations SWA is looking at.

SWA opening up Hawaii will cause our compeditors some heartburn, as is apparent in this thread.
It's not heartburn, its concern given SWAs history.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Bets on the ETOPS domicile? I'm going with OAK and PHX.
Can the MAX fly full between PHX and HNL with average winds?
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