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Old 04-21-2017, 06:56 AM
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Guys. This division is destructive. It doesn't matter where we came from, we are all here now. In 3 years we are going to have to begin negotiating another contract and we need to be together, on the same page, unified and strong with a common goal. We can not do that if we divide ourselves into cliques and subgroups. There is no more AirTran or Morris, no more civilian or military. There is only SWAPA. Leave the past behind you.


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Old 04-21-2017, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Completely playing devils advocate but military experience is also different from civilian in that they don't do departures, arrivals, shoot many approaches, deal with pax etc etc
I would love to know where you got the above information. Your source is very bad.
I would add however that when I did the above it was handflown without a flight director at high speeds.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:30 AM
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Yeah, but were you inverted?!

Personally, I enjoy the stories. The biggest issue is can we get along?
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Sort of......I've flown with enough ex-Mil pilots to start to understand the greatly various types of flying that they come from.
SIDs, STARs, and approaches​ are taught and flown in pilot training, so every military pilot has experience with them. Obviously some fly them more than others.

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Old 04-21-2017, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Guys. This division is destructive. It doesn't matter where we came from, we are all here now. In 3 years we are going to have to begin negotiating another contract and we need to be together, on the same page, unified and strong with a common goal. We can not do that if we divide ourselves into cliques and subgroups. There is no more AirTran or Morris, no more civilian or military. There is only SWAPA. Leave the past behind you.


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How long is the window open?
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:27 PM
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The No TPIC requirement is a glimmer of hope for some of us folks that have never had the chance to upgrade, because of furlough, bankruptcy or layoffs at the regionals. Over 10 yrs experience flying 121 with a regional and a mid-level major might give some of us a little chance with Southwest HR and a look at our application this time around.
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Through the 24th.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:07 PM
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The No TPIC requirement is a glimmer of hope for some of us folks that have never had the chance to upgrade, because of furlough, bankruptcy or layoffs at the regionals. Over 10 yrs experience flying 121 with a regional and a mid-level major might give some of us a little chance with Southwest HR and a look at our application this time around.

If it makes you feel any better, I was in the same boat before 9/11. Except I was working for a major as a 737 FO. Had been there about 3 years.

Didn't have 1000 PIC turbine so after 9/11 when I was furloughed, I just wasn't qualified to compete for any of the jobs that remained. It sucked! Took the better part of the lost decade just to build that PIC turbine so I could finally compete for one of those jobs.

(Ended up not accepting the recall for a variety of reasons. One of them was that I still didn't have the PIC turbine and didn't want to be right back where I started)

So you aren't alone. There are a lot of us in our mid-40s to early 50s just trying to pick up where we left off in 2001.



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Old 04-21-2017, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
If it makes you feel any better, I was in the same boat before 9/11. Except I was working for a major as a 737 FO. Had been there about 3 years.

Didn't have 1000 PIC turbine so after 9/11 when I was furloughed, I just wasn't qualified to compete for any of the jobs that remained. It sucked! Took the better part of the lost decade just to build that PIC turbine so I could finally compete for one of those jobs.

(Ended up not accepting the recall for a variety of reasons. One of them was that I still didn't have the PIC turbine and didn't want to be right back where I started)

So you aren't alone. There are a lot of us in our mid-40s to early 50s just trying to pick up where we left off in 2001.



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Exactly! I want/ed to upgrade, but never had the opportunity. I didn't choose to be an FO for so long because of QOL or whatever reason.

I've been to several jobs fairs for various airlines and the not having TPIC time has always been brought up and why I never upgraded. One look at my resume and my previous employers should give most HR/Recruiters an idea, assuming they keep up on what's going on at other airlines. Will see what happens with SWA...
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