Average Trip?
03-29-2017, 02:46 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,717
I know. Apparently it died on the vine. The loads have sucked the three times I have flown it. Like 30-40 people.
They still do it from Houston twice a day, once being a turn. I am hoping they will double down or do it from FLL and still overnight two crews there.
03-29-2017, 02:52 PM
#33
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,794
Average Trip?
I have a 21 hour layover there next month going from BWI and the return leg comes to HOU. Interesting things a junior guy can find in ELITT....
03-29-2017, 07:18 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,717
Average Trip?
Basically the perfect scheduling storm. I had vacation so I bid a super crappy weekend line that had a huge vacation pull and an overlap trip. I got one trip pulled in overlap that started on the 31st of March, one trip pulled for training, one pulled for IOE, and two trips pulled for vacation (my vacation credited 48tfp...score).
I now have a commutable two day and a 3 day training event. It's gonna be a good month any way you slice it.
Anyone want a Corpus 2 day?
I have vacation again in May so I have that going for me, but I doubt I will get this lucky ever again.
I now have a commutable two day and a 3 day training event. It's gonna be a good month any way you slice it.
Anyone want a Corpus 2 day?
I have vacation again in May so I have that going for me, but I doubt I will get this lucky ever again.
04-01-2017, 11:32 AM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Posts: 500
The scheduling practices at SWA are highly misunderstood in my opinion. It’s a flexible system overall. At the extremes there are those who are able to give away their entire line. They fly 0 block hours and get paid $0.00 for the month or they pick up premium time (1.5) and make stacks of cash. The record I’ve seen is 373 TFP in July a few years ago ($71,000 at the old contract rate of $189.89/trip). Yes, this was a senior Captain with 2 weeks of vacation who cleared his board and flew 5-6 days a week all month long. I often fly with senior FO’s who make $200- $300k/year. If you live in domicile and consistently pick up you can turn some amazing numbers without blocking much or you can just fly your line and enjoy good pay and time off.
Regarding the Trip For Pay system (TFP) you can use the 1.1393 conversion from TPF to hourly or use the gross month pay then divide by block hours scheduled. A sample of current pay rates as of March, 2017 are as follows:
Year 1 FO $67.32/trip
Year 2 FO $97.34/trip
Year 3 FO $108.38/trip
Year 5 FO $131.05/trip
Year 10 FO $149.47/trip
Year 12 FO $152.78/trip
Year 12 Captain $218.25/trip
Regarding vacation, SWA still line bids, i.e. no PBS, so in a vacation month 2 trips will drop leaving you with 6 days of flying. The 2 dropped trips typically will not drop with full pay but they can depending on how well you vacation bid. That's beyond the scope of this discussion but there are programs available to help with vacation bidding.
Regarding retirement, SWA now has a "B Fund" or defined contribution 401(k) AKA NEF that currently contributes 13.4% rising to 15% in year 2020. There is profit sharing also which varies of course but it's 13% for 2016. My guess is profit sharing will run roughly 10% for the foreseeable future.
There you have it. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you want more detailed information send me a PM and I'll get it it for you.
04-01-2017, 05:01 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 353
The most typical line at SWA is 4, 3 day trips in a given month. They almost always work 3 on 4 off (12 days of flying), the same days of the week (example: every Tuesday-Thursday) and are either pure AM or pure PM flying. These typical lines block 68-70 hours and pay about 90 TFP. Of course there are wide variations such as 3, 4 day trips, 5, 3 day trips, the occasional all turn and/or turn plus 2 day line, upper end blank lines that typically have a 10-12 day off stretch in the month, reserve which has 15 days of availability etc.
The scheduling practices at SWA are highly misunderstood in my opinion. It’s a flexible system overall. At the extremes there are those who are able to give away their entire line. They fly 0 block hours and get paid $0.00 for the month or they pick up premium time (1.5) and make stacks of cash. The record I’ve seen is 373 TFP in July a few years ago ($71,000 at the old contract rate of $189.89/trip). Yes, this was a senior Captain with 2 weeks of vacation who cleared his board and flew 5-6 days a week all month long. I often fly with senior FO’s who make $200- $300k/year. If you live in domicile and consistently pick up you can turn some amazing numbers without blocking much or you can just fly your line and enjoy good pay and time off.
Regarding the Trip For Pay system (TFP) you can use the 1.1393 conversion from TPF to hourly or use the gross month pay then divide by block hours scheduled. A sample of current pay rates as of March, 2017 are as follows:
Year 1 FO $67.32/trip
Year 2 FO $97.34/trip
Year 3 FO $108.38/trip
Year 5 FO $131.05/trip
Year 10 FO $149.47/trip
Year 12 FO $152.78/trip
Year 12 Captain $218.25/trip
Regarding vacation, SWA still line bids, i.e. no PBS, so in a vacation month 2 trips will drop leaving you with 6 days of flying. The 2 dropped trips typically will not drop with full pay but they can depending on how well you vacation bid. That's beyond the scope of this discussion but there are programs available to help with vacation bidding.
Regarding retirement, SWA now has a "B Fund" or defined contribution 401(k) AKA NEF that currently contributes 13.4% rising to 15% in year 2020. There is profit sharing also which varies of course but it's 13% for 2016. My guess is profit sharing will run roughly 10% for the foreseeable future.
There you have it. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you want more detailed information send me a PM and I'll get it it for you.
The scheduling practices at SWA are highly misunderstood in my opinion. It’s a flexible system overall. At the extremes there are those who are able to give away their entire line. They fly 0 block hours and get paid $0.00 for the month or they pick up premium time (1.5) and make stacks of cash. The record I’ve seen is 373 TFP in July a few years ago ($71,000 at the old contract rate of $189.89/trip). Yes, this was a senior Captain with 2 weeks of vacation who cleared his board and flew 5-6 days a week all month long. I often fly with senior FO’s who make $200- $300k/year. If you live in domicile and consistently pick up you can turn some amazing numbers without blocking much or you can just fly your line and enjoy good pay and time off.
Regarding the Trip For Pay system (TFP) you can use the 1.1393 conversion from TPF to hourly or use the gross month pay then divide by block hours scheduled. A sample of current pay rates as of March, 2017 are as follows:
Year 1 FO $67.32/trip
Year 2 FO $97.34/trip
Year 3 FO $108.38/trip
Year 5 FO $131.05/trip
Year 10 FO $149.47/trip
Year 12 FO $152.78/trip
Year 12 Captain $218.25/trip
Regarding vacation, SWA still line bids, i.e. no PBS, so in a vacation month 2 trips will drop leaving you with 6 days of flying. The 2 dropped trips typically will not drop with full pay but they can depending on how well you vacation bid. That's beyond the scope of this discussion but there are programs available to help with vacation bidding.
Regarding retirement, SWA now has a "B Fund" or defined contribution 401(k) AKA NEF that currently contributes 13.4% rising to 15% in year 2020. There is profit sharing also which varies of course but it's 13% for 2016. My guess is profit sharing will run roughly 10% for the foreseeable future.
There you have it. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you want more detailed information send me a PM and I'll get it it for you.
04-01-2017, 07:18 PM
#39
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,794
The most typical line at SWA is 4, 3 day trips in a given month. They almost always work 3 on 4 off (12 days of flying), the same days of the week (example: every Tuesday-Thursday) and are either pure AM or pure PM flying. These typical lines block 68-70 hours and pay about 90 TFP. Of course there are wide variations such as 3, 4 day trips, 5, 3 day trips, the occasional all turn and/or turn plus 2 day line, upper end blank lines that typically have a 10-12 day off stretch in the month, reserve which has 15 days of availability etc.
The scheduling practices at SWA are highly misunderstood in my opinion. It’s a flexible system overall. At the extremes there are those who are able to give away their entire line. They fly 0 block hours and get paid $0.00 for the month or they pick up premium time (1.5) and make stacks of cash. The record I’ve seen is 373 TFP in July a few years ago ($71,000 at the old contract rate of $189.89/trip). Yes, this was a senior Captain with 2 weeks of vacation who cleared his board and flew 5-6 days a week all month long. I often fly with senior FO’s who make $200- $300k/year. If you live in domicile and consistently pick up you can turn some amazing numbers without blocking much or you can just fly your line and enjoy good pay and time off.
Regarding the Trip For Pay system (TFP) you can use the 1.1393 conversion from TPF to hourly or use the gross month pay then divide by block hours scheduled. A sample of current pay rates as of March, 2017 are as follows:
Year 1 FO $67.32/trip
Year 2 FO $97.34/trip
Year 3 FO $108.38/trip
Year 5 FO $131.05/trip
Year 10 FO $149.47/trip
Year 12 FO $152.78/trip
Year 12 Captain $218.25/trip
Regarding vacation, SWA still line bids, i.e. no PBS, so in a vacation month 2 trips will drop leaving you with 6 days of flying. The 2 dropped trips typically will not drop with full pay but they can depending on how well you vacation bid. That's beyond the scope of this discussion but there are programs available to help with vacation bidding.
Regarding retirement, SWA now has a "B Fund" or defined contribution 401(k) AKA NEF that currently contributes 13.4% rising to 15% in year 2020. There is profit sharing also which varies of course but it's 13% for 2016. My guess is profit sharing will run roughly 10% for the foreseeable future.
There you have it. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you want more detailed information send me a PM and I'll get it it for you.
The scheduling practices at SWA are highly misunderstood in my opinion. It’s a flexible system overall. At the extremes there are those who are able to give away their entire line. They fly 0 block hours and get paid $0.00 for the month or they pick up premium time (1.5) and make stacks of cash. The record I’ve seen is 373 TFP in July a few years ago ($71,000 at the old contract rate of $189.89/trip). Yes, this was a senior Captain with 2 weeks of vacation who cleared his board and flew 5-6 days a week all month long. I often fly with senior FO’s who make $200- $300k/year. If you live in domicile and consistently pick up you can turn some amazing numbers without blocking much or you can just fly your line and enjoy good pay and time off.
Regarding the Trip For Pay system (TFP) you can use the 1.1393 conversion from TPF to hourly or use the gross month pay then divide by block hours scheduled. A sample of current pay rates as of March, 2017 are as follows:
Year 1 FO $67.32/trip
Year 2 FO $97.34/trip
Year 3 FO $108.38/trip
Year 5 FO $131.05/trip
Year 10 FO $149.47/trip
Year 12 FO $152.78/trip
Year 12 Captain $218.25/trip
Regarding vacation, SWA still line bids, i.e. no PBS, so in a vacation month 2 trips will drop leaving you with 6 days of flying. The 2 dropped trips typically will not drop with full pay but they can depending on how well you vacation bid. That's beyond the scope of this discussion but there are programs available to help with vacation bidding.
Regarding retirement, SWA now has a "B Fund" or defined contribution 401(k) AKA NEF that currently contributes 13.4% rising to 15% in year 2020. There is profit sharing also which varies of course but it's 13% for 2016. My guess is profit sharing will run roughly 10% for the foreseeable future.
There you have it. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you want more detailed information send me a PM and I'll get it it for you.
04-01-2017, 08:02 PM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 311
Excellent post. I'd just like to add one thing relevant for first year FO's - anything you pick up from open time, regardless whether at premium or straight including reserve block out of open time, gets paid at second year rate once you're over your original line value.
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