Skywest v2.0
12-24-2017, 12:21 PM
#9751
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 62
It's funny how when the company takes a **** on us it's just business. If you however decide to start playing games back you're considered an unethical POS. I'm of the accord that it's a two way street and have no remorse for outfoxing them.
It’s one of those necessary evil things. The idea is to never need them. We have guys here who do some pretty ridiculous stuff, including myself, who would in no way get away with it without a union who would send lawyers if these troublemakers were terminated. One guy gets doctor’s notes in Japanese because the contract doesn’t say the notes have to be in English. Another guy uses a beeper only because the contract says “contact number” and not cell phone. Scheduling doesn’t know how to send a beep so they can never assign him as a reserve. I’ve personally walked off deadheads if the door was still open and my max contractual duty day was going to be exceeded upon landing. The fly now grieve later people are generally pansies that ultimately do not have any balls. They can’t do anything if you follow your contract to the letter.
12-24-2017, 12:32 PM
#9752
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
Your post, the one I quoted and replied to sounded pretty apathetic. I’m speaking of the Skywest SAPA pay agreement, and it’s duration. For years SkyWest cherry picked parts of their union competition and made pay competitive by saying you’ll be making more than your peers because they’re paying 1.8% in union dues. Now not so much. You don’t want a union so be it. But at least stay competitive with the trends of the industry. And if Skywest doesn’t play ball maybe it’s time to push back a little bit. It’s nice to finally see people slowly starting to get paid like the professionals they are. Most people view this as SkyWest undercutting the industry and slowing down gains made by other carriers
12-24-2017, 12:33 PM
#9753
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 31
I voted NO but.... I’m tired of people saying 1%. If we want to be technical, the hourly went up 1% but after the pilot profit sharing is thrown in there I saw about an additional $5 per hour. So on my hourly rate that’s about 11% from this years PPS.
Don’t shoot the messenger....
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And wasn't it a 1% raise from the previous contract? It just didn't kick in until Jan 1st 2018? Looks like you are a FO. 1% would be like 39 cents.
.39+(3.18-2.47)=$1.1 per hour increase from the new TA. And after inflation it isn't exactly a raise.
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12-24-2017, 07:57 PM
#9755
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Guppy Gear Slinger
Posts: 1,927
It is my experience that those who boast the loudest about their income and net worth usually have very little of either.
12-24-2017, 08:42 PM
#9756
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 803
This is why I want representation!
12-24-2017, 09:43 PM
#9758
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 5
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas everyone! Hope it's a good one.
12-25-2017, 06:44 AM
#9759
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,680
The sad reality is though at SkyWest we are an "at will" employment status and the company can legally terminate you for no reason, legally none what so ever. They have in the past, they are doing so right now, and they will in the future. There is a reason the Management pays literally millions to not have a union. Their interests matter the most.
For one thing "at will employment" is only boilerplate in company documents to scare employees. There is no such thing in America today. You have to have good reason to terminate someone AND that reason must be consistent with past practice with other employees. The later is typically a very good protection (have you seen DD's late-model porsche?).
SKW has removed two high-profile CP's for pushing the "at-will" boundaries.
Secondly they will only fire you if you're a repeat problem child, or get caught lying. You can make all the honest mistakes you want, just don't lie. I know people who should have been fired and weren't. They could have fired me once or twice, but they didn't. I called the boss, fessed up, and that was the end of it. Not even a carpet dance.
Now they do fire probies for one big strike (ex. sitting SFO reserve at Lake Tahoe, etc). But that's just like anywhere else, union can't help that. Some probies need to get fired, and some millenials need to see that happen to drive the point home that airline scheduling does NOT revolve around their personal life. That phenomenon is not just at SKW, happens at legacies too.
12-25-2017, 08:06 AM
#9760
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 803
Rick,
How long and at what cost did it take DD to get retribution?
The company stood behind the CP that fired him at first.
And I think it's safe to say if all of us had real representation, it's highly likely none of DD's situation would have gone as far as it did.
There is an employee (well, former) right now, that is contesting his termination. His employment was terminated because the "at will" status was used.
I agree with you that "sometimes" the company will go soft on some huge screw ups. If you are a cheerleader, know the special handshake, and wear god given jammies, you can get away with about anything.
But if you are outspoken about management or critical of the company, you will get a target on your back, and there is absolutely nothing from stopping the company from terminating your "at will" employment!
How long and at what cost did it take DD to get retribution?
The company stood behind the CP that fired him at first.
And I think it's safe to say if all of us had real representation, it's highly likely none of DD's situation would have gone as far as it did.
There is an employee (well, former) right now, that is contesting his termination. His employment was terminated because the "at will" status was used.
I agree with you that "sometimes" the company will go soft on some huge screw ups. If you are a cheerleader, know the special handshake, and wear god given jammies, you can get away with about anything.
But if you are outspoken about management or critical of the company, you will get a target on your back, and there is absolutely nothing from stopping the company from terminating your "at will" employment!
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