WaterRooster

Or your union shop just has you gripe it and fly it. Or your union shop just declares bankruptcy and erases your "Contract." In the end we all get screwed. Merry Christmas!

gojo

Great anology for not wanting to better yourself or the industry. You all had the perfect opportunity to stand up and fight to be paid like a professional airline pilot like the rest of the industry is doing. But instead you vote in paltry yearly increases starting at 2% then 1% for the next 4 years. Thanks for raising the bar.

GiggidyGone

I voted NO but.... I’m tired of people saying 1%. If we want to be technical, the hourly went up 1% but after the pilot profit sharing is thrown in there I saw about an additional $5 per hour. So on my hourly rate that’s about 11% from this years PPS.

Don’t shoot the messenger....


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sn00p

Your paycheck says Delta right?

Joking aside how many times do you want to hear those of us who voted no say “thanks” for raising the bar?

Legit, doesn’t it get old coming into the OO forums and writing the same thing time and time again? The “majority” of us get it, 9E is great today. Maybe get some West Coast bases and more peeps from OO and the other West Coast airlines will make the jump.

Happy Holidays and TFAYD.

DirkDiggler

At least we have something to get erased. A union shop has a legally enforceable contract that can be brought to court for dispute resolution if other methods fail. With a 'handbook' or policy manual, there is no legal channel you can take except stomping your feet. If things got real bad, your only recourse would be to find individual pilots who were harmed, get them to sue and then take that lawsuit and elect it as a class action. Oh and of course pass a hat around to pay for legal fees. After all, a management funded SAPA surely will not litigate against the company.

WaterRooster

Man... if I only Voted yes.... Or if I'm not actively trying for a union.... Man you sure hit that nail on the head! Can you tell me how I should have done things again?

WaterRooster

I agree.... But.... I know guys who are STILL waiting for resolutions from contacts disputes. Also, Xjet/ASA Union sure aren't helping anything either.

I do agree with a union, but at the regional level they are really not must more then a fancy "handbook"

DirkDiggler

It’s one of those necessary evil things. The idea is to never need them. We have guys here who do some pretty ridiculous stuff, including myself, who would in no way get away with it without a union who would send lawyers if these troublemakers were terminated. One guy gets doctor’s notes in Japanese because the contract doesn’t say the notes have to be in English. Another guy uses a beeper only because the contract says “contact number” and not cell phone. Scheduling doesn’t know how to send a beep so they can never assign him as a reserve. I’ve personally walked off deadheads if the door was still open and my max contractual duty day was going to be exceeded upon landing. The fly now grieve later people are generally pansies that ultimately do not have any balls. They can’t do anything if you follow your contract to the letter.

DirkDiggler

You give em an inch and they take a foot. Nothing more nothing less. The Japanese notes and beeper are extreme cases. As they say just fly the contract. Those people I think just look for any loophole....but they are protected.

gojo

Because it is 1%. When someone is going for a mortgage, the bank is going to look at guaranteed income and W2’s. You can’t quantity profit sharing or bonuses as guaranteed income. So that’s how most people on the outside are going to see it. Hence why they say 1%